Hey all,
I have been on klonpin for a year and a half now and it does not seem to be doing the job anymore. I am interested in Valium because it works all day too. I meet with a Dr. on Monday and am wondering how I go about getting valium (if he will even give it to me) I am hoping to get a referral for a Pdoc as well. I just moved and that has caused a lot of problems.
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how to get the dr to prescribe valium
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 01:15 PM
dx: Major Depression/ Panic Dis
rx: Lexapro 30mg, Klonopin 3.5 mg daily & PRN, Xanax .5mg PRN, Geodon 60 mg.
rx: Lexapro 30mg, Klonopin 3.5 mg daily & PRN, Xanax .5mg PRN, Geodon 60 mg.
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 02:04 PM
if you can find a way let me know!
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 02:05 PM
I don't know if there is something I'm missing here...Hey all,
I have been on klonpin for a year and a half now and it does not seem to be doing the job anymore. I am interested in Valium because it works all day too. I meet with a Dr. on Monday and am wondering how I go about getting valium (if he will even give it to me) I am hoping to get a referral for a Pdoc as well. I just moved and that has caused a lot of problems.
Thanks
Why can't you just tell your doctor that the klonopin isn't working for you and because of this, you would like to try a different med?
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 02:11 PM
if you can find a way let me know!
Keep in mind that I said to discuss it with the doctor. If it is agreed upon that klonopin is not the best option as a way of treatment anymore, you guys will explore other options. This might not include valium.
So, people, no... we are not trying to find ways to score drugs we do not need and/or are excessive in regard to our treatment. If you don't need valium, a good doctor won't give it to you. Our goals are to get better, not get high.
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Posted 25 October 2008 - 06:17 PM
ha just clarifying for those who haven't seen my other posts, I meant if you can find a better way to convey to a doctor that you are in a lot of distress and really need valium, let me know. Nothing illegal kids!
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 02:06 AM
I don't mean to be illegal or anything, just looking for something that works. Sorry for any confusion. I am just a loser.
Edited by manny, 26 October 2008 - 02:06 AM.
dx: Major Depression/ Panic Dis
rx: Lexapro 30mg, Klonopin 3.5 mg daily & PRN, Xanax .5mg PRN, Geodon 60 mg.
rx: Lexapro 30mg, Klonopin 3.5 mg daily & PRN, Xanax .5mg PRN, Geodon 60 mg.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 09:50 AM
We know, its ok. You are not a loser.
I'm sorry the Klonopin isn't working. I think a pdoc would be more willing to prescribe you valium than a normal doctor as they are more able to weigh up the benefits vs risk of dependence etc. I think a referral would be your best bet.
There may even be something different that would help more than valium, the pdoc would know.
Hope you can find something that gives you some relief.
I'm sorry the Klonopin isn't working. I think a pdoc would be more willing to prescribe you valium than a normal doctor as they are more able to weigh up the benefits vs risk of dependence etc. I think a referral would be your best bet.
There may even be something different that would help more than valium, the pdoc would know.
Hope you can find something that gives you some relief.
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rx: Amitryptaline 125mg Seroquel XR 100mg, Lithium 750mg.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 11:01 AM
Here is a comparsion of potency (strength of action) vs. half life (length of action). Considerations your doctor will have include interaction with other meds you are taking, addiction potential of the benzo, and your experince with drugs/alcohol. a.m.
[quote] American Academy of Family Physicians:
TABLE 2
Potency and Half-Life of Various Benzodiazepines
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High-potency benzodiazepines
Drugs with a short half-life
Alprazolam (Xanax)
Lorazepam (Ativan)
Triazolam (Halcion)
Drugs with a long half-life
Clonazepam (Klonopin)
Low-potency benzodiazepines
Drugs with a short half-life
Oxazepam (Serax)
Temazepam (Restoril)
Drugs with a long half-life
Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
Clorazepate (Tranxene)
Diazepam (Valium)
Flurazepam (Dalmane)
[quote] American Academy of Family Physicians:
TABLE 2
Potency and Half-Life of Various Benzodiazepines
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High-potency benzodiazepines
Drugs with a short half-life
Alprazolam (Xanax)
Lorazepam (Ativan)
Triazolam (Halcion)
Drugs with a long half-life
Clonazepam (Klonopin)
Low-potency benzodiazepines
Drugs with a short half-life
Oxazepam (Serax)
Temazepam (Restoril)
Drugs with a long half-life
Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
Clorazepate (Tranxene)
Diazepam (Valium)
Flurazepam (Dalmane)
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 08:22 PM
What do you mean by it's not doing the job anymore? Did it used to work? I take a big dose of clonazepam and I don't "feel" it working. But I haven't really had a major freakout in a while so it's doing something. I'm still quite anxious on it.
Diazepam is a lot weaker dosage wise than clonazepam. So you'll need 40mg of Valium for 2mg of Klonopin. Some people claim that all benzos work the same. I don't want to believe that. It's worth trying a different one or a higher dose. I'm also considering trying Valium because Klonopin doesn't "seem" to do anything. But geez, 6mg of klono = 120mg of val. That's a lot of pills to swallow.
BTW, here in Canada family doctors will not prescribe you benzos. Only psychiatrists will. My family doctor knows what meds I take so I do get refills from him. Or sometimes I call my psychiatrist for refills if I don't feel like going to the clinic. Oops, off topic.
-Tom
Diazepam is a lot weaker dosage wise than clonazepam. So you'll need 40mg of Valium for 2mg of Klonopin. Some people claim that all benzos work the same. I don't want to believe that. It's worth trying a different one or a higher dose. I'm also considering trying Valium because Klonopin doesn't "seem" to do anything. But geez, 6mg of klono = 120mg of val. That's a lot of pills to swallow.
BTW, here in Canada family doctors will not prescribe you benzos. Only psychiatrists will. My family doctor knows what meds I take so I do get refills from him. Or sometimes I call my psychiatrist for refills if I don't feel like going to the clinic. Oops, off topic.
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previous meds: Paxil (did nothing except i wasn't able to achieve the big O), Zyban, Effexor, Celexa, Remeron, Xanax, Ativan, Neurontin, Zoloft (useless), Wellbutrin XL (a joke), Buspar (made me suicidal), Moclobemide (made anxiety worse), Nardil (crapshot. Didn't do anything good and made me faint from low BP), Zyprexa, Seroquel (nope, no sedation), Atenolol (didn't stop the shakes), Imipramine, Doxepin, Risperdal, Lamictal (made anxiety bad), Cymbalta (fail), Lyrica
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:35 PM
if you can find a way let me know!
Keep in mind that I said to discuss it with the doctor. If it is agreed upon that klonopin is not the best option as a way of treatment anymore, you guys will explore other options. This might not include valium.
So, people, no... we are not trying to find ways to score drugs we do not need and/or are excessive in regard to our treatment. If you don't need valium, a good doctor won't give it to you. Our goals are to get better, not get high.
actually....my goal is completely and totally to get high.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 08:03 PM
if you can find a way let me know!
Keep in mind that I said to discuss it with the doctor. If it is agreed upon that klonopin is not the best option as a way of treatment anymore, you guys will explore other options. This might not include valium.
So, people, no... we are not trying to find ways to score drugs we do not need and/or are excessive in regard to our treatment. If you don't need valium, a good doctor won't give it to you. Our goals are to get better, not get high.
actually....my goal is completely and totally to get high.
Wow. Aren't you just so damn cool...
Thanks for your extremely valuable comment, Guest.
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"It has been said that time heals all wounds. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue, and the pain lessens, but it is never gone." ~Rose Kennedy
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:57 PM
Does anyone else want to chew on guest? I just don't fucking care right now. Thanks.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 11:17 PM
if you can find a way let me know!
Keep in mind that I said to discuss it with the doctor. If it is agreed upon that klonopin is not the best option as a way of treatment anymore, you guys will explore other options. This might not include valium.
So, people, no... we are not trying to find ways to score drugs we do not need and/or are excessive in regard to our treatment. If you don't need valium, a good doctor won't give it to you. Our goals are to get better, not get high.
actually....my goal is completely and totally to get high.
if that's your your goal, you'd be better off smoking nutmeg
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:12 AM
actually....my goal is completely and totally to get high.
um...yeah not cool. We don't appreciate that crap here. There's plenty of other forums that will stroke your ego, go find them. When you eventually realise that your incredibly idiotic choices (perhaps driven by actual desperation) have majorly screwed up your brain and your life in general, and are seeking legitimate help, we will be happy to chat to you.
Please don't post until then. The 30 seconds I spent reading and replying to your post are lost forever.
Edited by bluelikejazz, 21 November 2008 - 02:12 AM.
PMDD, PTSD and MDD.
rx: Amitryptaline 125mg Seroquel XR 100mg, Lithium 750mg.
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 04:00 AM
I would try and find an alternative unless you really can do it prn (but then I KNOW how essential it can be when nothing else works! 
). It just stops working like all the others otherwise. And kills depth of good as well as bad emotions. I.e. deadened.
Saying that, since Valium is commonly used to withdraw from the higher potency, shorter half life benzos, I would be surprised if they wouldn't give it to you since it is less 'addictive' as a result. See www.benzo.org.uk for more info.
I take Valium prn (2mg every other day unless i am reaaaaally freaking out in which case i'll neck 6/8mg) and my GP has given it to me on repeat prescription but they can monitor how often I order it via a warning sign on the computer (of course!). I am in the UK though. My psych says hmmm, i would rather you took it max once or twice a week. I don't like taking it even though it chills me out, as it is a depressant in the true sense of the word. I want to get off it as I have been on it for 11 months now but i know it can be such a life saver. However, I do wish I'd found an alternative before I started on it that didn't get me into such a 'between a rock and a hard place' situation. So many of us are in the latter category, I fear !
I really hope you find an alternative and/or a sympathetic doc who can find one for you. Hope the above is helpful as my mind is clouded and not too objective right now!
Best of luck!
). It just stops working like all the others otherwise. And kills depth of good as well as bad emotions. I.e. deadened.Saying that, since Valium is commonly used to withdraw from the higher potency, shorter half life benzos, I would be surprised if they wouldn't give it to you since it is less 'addictive' as a result. See www.benzo.org.uk for more info.
I take Valium prn (2mg every other day unless i am reaaaaally freaking out in which case i'll neck 6/8mg) and my GP has given it to me on repeat prescription but they can monitor how often I order it via a warning sign on the computer (of course!). I am in the UK though. My psych says hmmm, i would rather you took it max once or twice a week. I don't like taking it even though it chills me out, as it is a depressant in the true sense of the word. I want to get off it as I have been on it for 11 months now but i know it can be such a life saver. However, I do wish I'd found an alternative before I started on it that didn't get me into such a 'between a rock and a hard place' situation. So many of us are in the latter category, I fear !
I really hope you find an alternative and/or a sympathetic doc who can find one for you. Hope the above is helpful as my mind is clouded and not too objective right now!
Best of luck!
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 07:12 AM
benzos don't get you high, they slow you down. The reason Im on 2 different benzos at high doses is because my mind gets crazy psychotic and I think my head is going to explode (literally, like Scanners). The benzos are the only thing that nips my psychosis in the bud before I become a gibbering wreck.
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 02:02 AM
I believe benzos make some people high but not others. In the right dose they slow me down and even me out, and in too high a dose they make me drugged out and uncoordinated, so I can't say they've ever made me high. I've had pdocs ask me if they do though.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 02:57 AM
I've been taking clonapin for about 4 yrs. and just recently (after 4 yrs.) went from .5/TID to .5/BID. I didn't notice any bad effects. Now my goal is to go down another .25 in the next month and eventually get off except maybe prn. Why? Because Benzos make you like a pothead. Without getting high. Long-term use of benzos is apparently bad, because it does some significant damage to your brain. Just found that out. Hmmm....
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 05:01 AM
Because Benzos make you like a pothead. Without getting high.
yes yes.
keep it up, and you'll look and sound just like a pothead, no kidding. droopy lids and stupidass slowed speech and everything. i have a lot of those in my life (potheads). i love them all dearly, but knowing i looked/sounded like that on a good sized-dose of benzos was enough to make me want to get off them for good. (not that i've been able to. but at least now i'm back to prns).
i totally get wanting to get high but... just don't think because it comes in a prescription form it isn't as stupid. it's worse. having had to quit illegal shit, alcohol, and benzos at different points in my life.... the benzos were the biggest bitch of all.
just be careful, guest.
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I hope your doc will be understanding. I had the same problem as Klonopin didn't work for me. Although I had to go to a Pdoc to get anything different all I did was suggest I try Xanax and he agreed. If you are already being prescribed a benzo there isn't any real reason why you won't be able to be prescribed another one unless your doc isn't authorised to prescribe it, or doesn't ever use that drug with their patients.
Good luck!
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