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#1 sunburnt22

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:00 PM

I received back my neurotransmitter results from NeuroScience. Wow. I think I am the most chemically depressed person in the world. Even while being on 10 mg of Lexapro, and 1 mg of Xanax at nighttime, here are my significant numbers...

Epinephrine 6.4 (optimal is 8-11)
Norepinephrine 21.3 (optimal is 35-45)
Dopamine 51.2 (optimal 125-175)
Serotonin 60 (optimal 125-175)

The lab then recommends specific dosages, taken in phases, of various supplements such as...

Adrecor, which includes Rhodiola rosea extract, N-acetyltyrosine, L-methionine, Vitamins B and C
Travacor, which includes 5-HTP, L-theanine, Taurine, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12
Balance D, which includes Vicia faba, N-acetyltyrosine, N-acetylcysteine, Vitamin B6

I have several questions:
1) Has anyone had success or known anyone with success using both this test and this type of treatment regimen?
2) Should I trust the lab and my doctor (Dr. Michael Cantwell, MD, MPH) who are telling me it's okay to combine these supplements with my current meds (Lexapro, Xanax, and occasional Ativan)?
3) If these supplements had any validity at all, why would they not be multi-million dollars sellers as people are constantly searching for ways to feel better emotionally and mentally with "natural" supplements?

P.S. Please don't suggest other psych meds as I've done so many of them, at various dosages for the last 12 years. I'm trying to go in a new direction. Nothing else has worked. Thanks ;)


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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:09 PM

The lab then recommends specific dosages, taken in phases, of various supplements such as...


Are the things they recommend... stuff that the lab also sells?

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:20 PM

I never realized there was a test for neurotransmitter levels. What was it like a blood test or something? If that's the case then everyone who sees a pdoc would be given an easy peasy test to determine what neurotransmitter they're deficient in and then Rx meds accordingly.
In other words, I kinda doubt the validity of a test like this but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's something cutting edge that I've never heard of...anywhere.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:30 PM

Is this a blood test? Honestly, I don't think it's likely to be relevant. (Someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong.) If anything, you'd want to know the levels of specific neurotransmitters in specific parts of your brain. And of course such a test would be too risky and invasive to do in humans.

I really don't know how your blood levels (if it's blood you got tested) of neurotrasmitters correlate to what's actually in your brain... Serotonin, for instance, is used in your intestines a lot. I don't know how--if at all--it correlates with blood levels of serotonin or with serotonin levels in your brain...
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 06:33 PM

Is this a blood test? Honestly, I don't think it's likely to be relevant. (Someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong.) If anything, you'd want to know the levels of specific neurotransmitters in specific parts of your brain. And of course such a test would be too risky and invasive to do in humans.

I really don't know how your blood levels (if it's blood you got tested) of neurotrasmitters correlate to what's actually in your brain... Serotonin, for instance, is used in your intestines a lot. I don't know how--if at all--it correlates with blood levels of serotonin or with serotonin levels in your brain...

Yeah, what you said.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 07:18 PM

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 07:24 PM

This is junk science designed to sell supplements.

We've had threads on this before.


Isn't this kind of like those "fitness" tests I had when I first subscribed to a gym? They set their equipment to their HIGHEST level, then the results said that I'm fat beyond repair and I need to at least hire a personal trainer, dietitian, etc., which costs like $2000, so that they can do their "business" with another customer.

Heck, even Scientology has their "stress tests" too.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 08:14 PM

Yes, you all bring up many good points...

To answer the questions that have been raised...

-it is a urine test (done after fasting of course)
-I'm an extremely skeptical person but I have had the test 3 times over the last 5 years, and I will admit that the results have shown to be quite "accurate" in the sense that the numbers have really mimicked my symptoms almost to a tee. For example, the first time I did the test years ago, I was on no meds, and my serotonin was absurdly low, and I definitely felt not even functional. Then a couple years later I took it while on Lexapro, and my serotonin had more than doubled (but my level was still far below optimal), and that is about how I felt. I can go into greater detail with regards to my numbers/symptoms but want to keep it brief here.
-I never used the supplements they (or this particular doctor) recommended because I always used the results to try to adjust my regular pharmaceuticals. Since that has not helped one bit, that is why I'm on to trying either regular use of benzos, or these supplements sold by NeuroScience that seem like they can't possibly work.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 08:21 PM

I still don't know that urine levels are correlated with brain levels. And synaptic function is more complicated than gross NT levels anyway.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 08:38 PM

Even in the BRAIN, levels of neurotransmitters have not been correlated with mood.

There is nothing harmful in those supplements although some of them are a little odd (fava bean?) and I'm sure they're overpriced. But hey, if that's what you want to try, try it.




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Posted 18 December 2009 - 08:56 PM

Fava beans apparently contain a precursor to dopamine.

I wouldn't bother with this stuff, personally. But I don't think it would make anything any worse.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 09:03 PM

I still don't know that urine levels are correlated with brain levels.


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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:34 PM

I wasn't aware that neurotransmitters were shedded through the brain in such a way that they are filtered through the body, into the kidneys, and then into the urine. Remember, those kidneys can only filter certain things - that's how they are made. In my opinion, if the test isn't given the blessing by the AMA (I'm in the US), it doesn't count.

I know you are going to do what you want to do, but please don't set your heart on the items these people sell you on fixing you. That's just setting yourself up for failure, and deeper depression in the long run. These people may truly believe in their product, but ask if they have a money-back guarantee for their products. If they do, that should offer you a way to try their products a try with a way out if (and likely, when) they don't work.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:43 PM

Personally, I think it's total BS with this but I did watch this news show a year or so ago that they have this test now for bipolars. It's an MRI basically but it shows the parts of your brain that's being affected by it totally. So they can get the perfect meds for you. At that time though it was really expensive and insurance wouldn't cover it. No idea if it ever would but wouldn't it be amazing to actually see your problem? To have it medically documented with an MRI? Wow. I wish I had access to it.
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Posted 20 December 2009 - 04:57 AM

This is why I love these boards because everyone here shares my healthy level of skepticism. That is why for the life of me, I can't figure out how this test could assess neurotransmitter levels at 3 different points in my life over a span of 5 years that almost match exactly my symptom profile. Especially since each time taking the test my symptom profile was significantly different and completely UNKNOWN to the lab.

I believe the supplements they sell are complete BS, but I'm having trouble discrediting a test that has been so accurate for ME. It may be neither here nor there, just food for thought...

Edited by sunburnt22, 20 December 2009 - 04:58 AM.


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Posted 21 December 2009 - 01:00 AM

I've had really accurate horoscopes a tarot card readings.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 01:41 AM

Sunburnt - let me guess, the symptoms they described were stuff like fatigue, trouble sleeping, anxiety, and concentration problems? Those sorts of symptoms are of the type that everybody has, even people without MI. As VE mentioned, this is how horoscopes and tarot card readings work. Say something vague like "You are having problems in an important relationship in your life", then everybody will figure out someway it relates to them.

I took a Social Psychology class in college, and somebody did a study on this phenomenon. Any psych majors who know who did this study or can flesh out the details, please join in. Students were told that their astrological charts were done, and they were given a written report of the analysis. They were asked to rate how accurate the report was. Almost everybody rated it highly.

What the students didn't know was all the reports were identical. Human beings are really good at seeing patterns, even when there are none.
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 09:18 AM

Oh yeah, I meant to ask... was this test actually ordered by your pdoc? Or was it something you just did on your own and s/he's simply saying it's OK to take the herbs?
I'd be a little wary of a doctor who would order this test. But that's just me.
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PM Geodon 160mg, Klonopin 1mg

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 06:22 PM

I received back my neurotransmitter results from NeuroScience. Wow. I think I am the most chemically depressed person in the world. Even while being on 10 mg of Lexapro, and 1 mg of Xanax at nighttime, here are my significant numbers...

Epinephrine 6.4 (optimal is 8-11)
Norepinephrine 21.3 (optimal is 35-45)
Dopamine 51.2 (optimal 125-175)
Serotonin 60 (optimal 125-175)

The lab then recommends specific dosages, taken in phases, of various supplements such as...

Adrecor, which includes Rhodiola rosea extract, N-acetyltyrosine, L-methionine, Vitamins B and C
Travacor, which includes 5-HTP, L-theanine, Taurine, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12
Balance D, which includes Vicia faba, N-acetyltyrosine, N-acetylcysteine, Vitamin B6

I have several questions:
1) Has anyone had success or known anyone with success using both this test and this type of treatment regimen?
2) Should I trust the lab and my doctor (Dr. Michael Cantwell, MD, MPH) who are telling me it's okay to combine these supplements with my current meds (Lexapro, Xanax, and occasional Ativan)?
3) If these supplements had any validity at all, why would they not be multi-million dollars sellers as people are constantly searching for ways to feel better emotionally and mentally with "natural" supplements?

P.S. Please don't suggest other psych meds as I've done so many of them, at various dosages for the last 12 years. I'm trying to go in a new direction. Nothing else has worked. Thanks ;)



Radiola Rosesia might increase your serotonin levels. I dont think its a good idea to combine hollistic medicine with prescribed medications. You dont want to end up with too much serotonin. I've been taking perika st.John's wort for the past several weeks. You can order it on [edit]. It has great reviews, and you can ween off your prescribed meds.Good luck

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 07:14 PM

I received back my neurotransmitter results from NeuroScience. Wow. I think I am the most chemically depressed person in the world. Even while being on 10 mg of Lexapro, and 1 mg of Xanax at nighttime, here are my significant numbers...

Epinephrine 6.4 (optimal is 8-11)
Norepinephrine 21.3 (optimal is 35-45)
Dopamine 51.2 (optimal 125-175)
Serotonin 60 (optimal 125-175)

The lab then recommends specific dosages, taken in phases, of various supplements such as...

Adrecor, which includes Rhodiola rosea extract, N-acetyltyrosine, L-methionine, Vitamins B and C
Travacor, which includes 5-HTP, L-theanine, Taurine, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12
Balance D, which includes Vicia faba, N-acetyltyrosine, N-acetylcysteine, Vitamin B6

I have several questions:
1) Has anyone had success or known anyone with success using both this test and this type of treatment regimen?
2) Should I trust the lab and my doctor (Dr. Michael Cantwell, MD, MPH) who are telling me it's okay to combine these supplements with my current meds (Lexapro, Xanax, and occasional Ativan)?
3) If these supplements had any validity at all, why would they not be multi-million dollars sellers as people are constantly searching for ways to feel better emotionally and mentally with "natural" supplements?

P.S. Please don't suggest other psych meds as I've done so many of them, at various dosages for the last 12 years. I'm trying to go in a new direction. Nothing else has worked. Thanks ;)



A urine test is showing what the body excretes. Which of course is different from the neurotransmitters in our brain. I recognize a number of the supplements. For example my doctor suggested Rhodiola. It is very well known. I did not actually like it but it should not be dangerous. 5-HTP precursor to Serotonin. Lots of people take that. I have taken something similar - L-Trytophen which lifts mood, again working with my doctor. And many people take the b vitamins, Vit. D, and Taurine. This does not look very radical to me.

Well it help your depression? Who knows? Since your doctor is involved I would try it. But don't have an enormous hope that this will be a miracle cure. You might be very disappointed. I think alternative care is an adjunct to medication. I hope this helps you.

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