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#1 esmereldaskysurfer

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:52 PM

Title says it all really... i always thought the parent had to pose a significant threat to the child in some way (either threatening to hurt it, or neglecting it or whatever), but apparently it just takes one phonecall from someone saying that the person is an unfit parent and CPS can come in and take the child away.

This scares me because i want to be a mother some day, and there is no way i would harm or neglect my child but it looks like no matter how good a parent i am, having SZA may mean that my kid is taken away anyway, no matter how good a parent im being.

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#2 confused

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:22 PM

It's more complicated. I had been afraid to tell people of some of my delusions for various reasons, but one was I thought I would lose my children. When I confided this to a tdoc she said they can't do that. My dx is sza, too..

I have a friend who ended up giving up parental rights but it's complicated and I don't know the whole story. Her and her husband at the time had accused each other of being abusive to each other (not the child) and she repeatedly was hospitalized for suicide attempts. She never neglected or hurt her daughter, but she just wasn't well enough to care for her on her own. She didn't contest the decision and her daughter was adopted by a relative of her ex-husband.

There was a case I read where they took a child for being obese (over nourished). I asked my pediatrician about that because my son is overweight and he said they would work with parents before anything like that and he's never heard of it.

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#3 Birdee

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:33 PM

As far as I know, children can be removed from their home for 2 reasons… Abuse or neglect

Having a Dx of SZA shouldn't mean anything to CPS unless you somehow abuse or neglect your child(ren).

Confused mentioned a child being taken away for being severely obese. The poor child must have been SEVERELY SEVERELY obese for that to happen… as in life threateningly obese. Well, that is abuse by the parents if they allow or promote a life threatening lifestyle for the child.

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#4 sylvan

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:54 PM

So long as you're taking good care of your kids and aren't abusing them, there isn't anything CPS can or will do to take your kids away. Just saying someone has MI is not grounds for removing the kids from the home.

The obese kid that was taken away from the parents was morbidly obese and the parents did not follow the doctor's instructions and the child kept getting bigger and bigger. As I recall, they placed the child in the home of a relative where he lost a significant amount of weight. Not sure if he is still with the relative or has gone back home.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:05 PM

Different states phrase it differently, but the language is usually that there has to be a nexus/connection/link between the mental illness and harm/detriment to the child. So in other words--the mental illness isn't in and of itself the grounds. The ground would be harm/failure to take care of the child (i.e. what you think of as traditional neglect or abuse).
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:50 AM

Generally speaking, CPS do not want to take children out of their environment unless absolutely necessary. By "absolutely necessary", that usually means the child's welfare is at risk. That encompasses anything that has the potential to put a child at harm's risk - neglect [including medical neglect], abuse [of all kinds], etc.

There are several reasons why a lot of CPS services are reluctant to remove a child from their home. Firstly, removing a child from their home can be traumatic for them, even though they may have experienced abuse and/or neglect at the hands of their caregiver[s]. You are removing a child from a familiar environment, into a foreign one, which can be very disruptive for a child. Sometimes, a child would still have a bond with their caregiver[s], so they would find removal very difficult. Secondly, foster homes are in short supply. There are generally not enough homes because being a foster parent can be very demanding and not many people would raise their hands for the job. Thirdly, foster homes are not ideal, because they are usually temporary measures, and not all parents can handle a child's specific needs. The constant moving can cause further disruption for a child.

Generally, CPS will investigate a report first, then try to work with caregiver[s] if they believe the claims made in the report are substantiated. Investigation generally involves interviews with the child/children and the caregiver[s] separately, observing the environment, health checks and observing the interactions and behaviours between child/children and caregiver[s].

I guess that's a long-winded way of saying no - having a MI alone does not lead to CPS intervening. However, if your MI is leading to neglect and/or abuse of a child, then yes, CPS will step in.

As an example - when I was working at CPS here, I came across a woman with BPD, PTSD and depression. Her son was taken away from her, but it wasn't because of her psychiatric issues. It was because she wasn't taking proper care of her son. She used to send her then-5yo son to the shops, by himself, to buy groceries. Her son used to cook for her, because she couldn't handle cooking. There were other issues too, like constant drug abuse which left her incapable of caring for her son for most of the day [aka neglect], and some physical abuse.

#7 esmereldaskysurfer

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:59 AM

Well that's reassuring... the way it was put to me scared the crap out of me (although to be honest, i should have known because the person who said it is well known for talking out of her arse and pretending she knows heaps about everything when she really doesnt), she made it sound like one person just had to make a call and the kid would be taken away. Thank goodness that isnt the case!

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#8 gizmo

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

I was involved in an incident where I SI'd and the police found out about it and detained me in front of my daughter's school (in front of my daughter and all the other parents/teachers/kids) and took me away by ambulance. Even in that instance, CPS never inquired into the well-being of my children.

I have been involved with CPS once. When my son (now 14) was two, he slipped on a meal-in-a-box box on the floor. One leg stayed put, the other twisted behind him. I was two feet from him when it happened. He broke his femur, the strongest bone in your body. I was questioned several times (by that, I mean over a dozen) by the ER docs and social workers, and less than 30 minutes after we arrived home with him, we got an unannounced visit from CPS. She examined the house, and even the box (still on the floor) that my son slipped on, examined the rest of the apartment, and stated that she would file her report and close the case. That's all that happened.

It was extremely unnerving to have that happen to us, but at the same time, I was glad to have a system in place that actually investigated allegations of child abuse to find the people who were really abusing their kids. Didn't make what we went through any easier, though!
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#9 Becks

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

I've had CPS involved in our lives as well and believe me, it's not just a simple phone call and they take your children from you. There has to be evidence that you neglected and/or abused your children. Even if they do find evidence, they typically try to work with you to rectify the situation. I think and don't quote me, the abuse/neglect would have to be severe for them to take the children immediately.

Most CPS workers (at least the ones I've dealt with) were always very kind and compassionate. Of course, the case that was being brought against us was by an unhappy relative who thought it was funny to make false claims and disrupt lives. Both times that CPS was called on us. The workers' came out, questioned myself and husband and then all the children separetly. They left, wrote up their report and sent me a letter closing the case.

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