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How fast can you safely get off Klonopin?

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To: ShortStuff

I two abused klonopin after I first started using it to come down from coke. Was prescribed it so was doing it w/ the coke probably did it's own number on my brain. Then just used as needed(klonopin), still going over the recommended and stopped the coke. I was then given Xanax also 2mg twice a day w/ klonopin. Dropped the Xanax and still going through withdrawl and down to 4mg a day klonopin. My pdoc told me that smoking marijuana helps and it does so much for withdrawl symptoms. I don't think I would still be alive without the weed lol. I am still going through withdrawl have no sense anymore what a normal me is or should be, I am unemployed due to trying to commit suicide last year, can't get a job not because of the economy but because I have two DUIS which were misdemeanors but they check everything but ur ass these days. Also have bad credit. But I'm still here I guess no insurance unemployment running out. I have faith but only see as far as tomorrow. What I'm trying to say is cold turkey off what u were taking amount wise is SUICIDE! Taper but what about us without insurance and money to be on more meds and for a year w/no guarantee. Yeah I think this shit is worse than any drug legal or illegal. But then again why is alcohol legal and weed illegal.

What a JOKE!!!

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Oh and shortstuff running and drinking water were key to me getting cold turkey off Xanax. i drank 25 glasses of water a day 16oz. Vitamins esp. B VITAMINS

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you have got to be kidding me that your pdoc told you to smoke weed to get off klonapin. KIDDING ME.

good lord. TALK about trading one thing for another....

i hope you are in CA and had a prescription for that shit.

this post has to be a joke. HAS TO.

If not, then please, people, don't let some guest talk you into not tapering of a prescribed benzo by downing b vitamins and weed. just to be clear.

Anna

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Ok.... here Goes.

I NEED help! I have taken Klonopin for 10 years now. It started with .5 and went up to nearly 10mgs a day. I have tried inpatient, I have tried 4 times on my own with DR assistance in the past 4 years and i cannot seem to kick it. I get to a point when I am below 2mgs daily that I cannot determine whether the anxiety is me or the withdrawal....obviously looking back it is usually the withdrawal..... But my memory is half what it used to be and I cannot complete anything, it has rendered me disabled. It was prescribed because I had a social phobia with other children when I was a minor but I did not have a panic disorder ( I did not have panic attacks) I still do not but I am taking 4-5 a day as prescribed but I have moved so much in my life the DRs never really question why I take so much and I have been sailing along in this fog that its been doing me ok when it has ruined relationships with others, I have lost several jobs and now I can barely work a part time job.

So, after yet another day of absently being stuck in my apt and totally forgetting to meet a prospective new client (until they emailed me asking where I was) I have decided it is time to end the Klonopin.

I am in a situation where i cannot really get medical attention for it (IE I cannot go into detox and I tried that i do not reccommend it unless its longer term care)

I am pretty much alone in this, I am in a foreign country where the meds are being prescribed now. (they were prescribed back home but I can longer get insurance there)

Since I need the meds to withdrawal with I have to stay here. So detox or moving is out of the equation even if you think its best, its not going to happen and I cant really afford it.

So I am taking 4 at bedtime and one in the afternoon, 5 MG a day. I need to know what a good long term schedule is to get off of them. 30 days was not long enough for me, i started convulsing and had thoughts of suicide. I need to ween off it slowly enough that i barely notice though I know there will be some discomfort to where I am only taking it as needed for the withdrawal or panic attacks that may ensue as a result of being on this medication.

My biggest problems in the past have been that when I get to a really low dose I cannot tell if it is the withdrawal or just me because it has been so long, so I also want to know what people are experiencing as they taper down.

If I need a different forum, please advise, because I cannot live like this any longer, its not living at all.

I was going to cut down 1/2 Mg every month and then take as needed. Would that be safe after taking it for 10 years? I am afraid I do not even know who I am without it anymore. I tried cold turkey once it was probably the scariest thing ever, I thought I was going to die. If anyone can help me, I would appreciate it.

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chris some would suggest you read the ashton manual - she crossed her patients over to valium and tapered them off from that but you would need to cross to 100mg of valium according to her charts...you can taper off the klonopin directly too. do you know about liquid titration ? there are some videos on youtube showing how to do it, you make a liquid from your pills and taper each day maybe 1/2 or 1%

listen you could do this to taper down you said you can make it so far down then get stuck well get down as low as you can then do a liquid when you hit the wall...when you only take a tiny bit off each day your brain and body don't feel the shock as much as cutting the pill. there is a new support site to help people check it out.

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Hi , please don't quit cold turkey on Klonopin . It is dangerous . It is true that some of us can do it , but if you are not sure you can , talk to your doctor for a tapering schedule . I have been on Xanax for 9 years 3 x 0.5 mg 1-1-1 , and i did it cold turkey with no problems . I am on Klonopin now 1.5 mg / day 1-1-1 and i have a lot of troubles . I can't get rid of it and i feel like i am 100 years old and i am also having a 1000 pounds bag on my back . Everything is fine if i lay in bed , but as soon as i stand up , problems arrive . Increased heart rate , dizziness , unsteadiness , feeling faint and so on . I have had also trouble breathing at the beginning of the treatment . It's been a year since i'm on it and i want out . But it seems that Klonopin does not agree with this .

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My son was hospitalizied and was put on Klonapin, he was then transferred to a half way house and they took him off his medications immediately saying they could not prescribe them to him. He went three days with out his medications and immediately begin to have side effects that were horrible. The half way house let him out on a pass on the third day, but that night first he did go to the hospital and was given a dose of Klonapin and w3as released from the hospital the next day, then the half way house let him out on a pass and he went to the top of an old building where he use to go and mediatate and a witness see him sit down and a few seconds later he just fell backwards and died he was only 28 years old does anybody out there have any advise for me. Please reply all I am lost on wahat to do.

I am terribly sorry for your loss and I realize that you posted quite a while ago, but I am new to the forum and just read about your experience. If you are still unsure of where to turn and who to hold accountable for your son's death, I believe that the blame lays almost exclusively with the halfway house that denied him the meds that he was on and subsequently failed to monitor his physical health/withdrawal and failed again to ensure his psychological safety in the abrupt absence of the meds that had been keeping him stable. He should have been kept under observation for physical reactions to sudden medication withdrawal as well as to prevent him from self-harm or accidental injury.

The hospital also gave him a dose of medication and didn't keep him around for observation, which was irresponsible if he had never been treated with it in the past, so they may have contributed to the situation, but the living facility displayed gross negligence in this event. The medication wasn't the cause of this tragedy, it was a series of oversights- of doors that he was allowed to walk out of under medicated and unsupervised.

In the shadow of such a loss, even after the passage of some time, it's can be very difficult to think with any practicality, but I noticed that in the thread, someone had mentioned suing the pharmaceutical company. I think that it would be impossible to prove that a single dose of Klonopin contributed to your son's death, given that all of his other medications were stopped. Your strongest case by far is against the halfway house, and possibly the hospital as well, but bear in mind that the Statute of Limitations on Medical Malpractice lawsuits can be quite short and varies by state. It can take a really good attorney to try to get around that.

My thoughts are with you, and I wish you good luck in doing whatever you need to do to heal.

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IMO, Klonopin is very difficult to wean off. My pdoc has me on the AM dose every other day, and keep the dose the same at night. He said I needed to go that slow for my body to go off it.

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If I ever titrate off the xanax, it is going to take me months and months. I don't mind, it has been such a beneficial med for me, it is worth the potential hassle.

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I felt like I had to chime in here for anyone reading this thread who may be completely freaked out by the horror stories listed here. I've been on Klonipin for over 2 years now, 1 mg 2xday.

A month? or so? ago, a series of events led to me running out of it and not taking it for 4 days. I posted about it here somewhere, probably in the People Suck forums. Anyway, aside from an increase in anxiety/irritability, I did not experience any notable side effects. I'm NOT advocating stopping cold turkey (I would never, for any med - always follow your doc's advice!) but just wanted others to know that it isn't always a nightmare when you do -- we all react different to going off or on any medication.

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Tragedies like the poor soul spoken of above need not happen. It is terrible how misunderstood the benzos are. They are terrible drugs when MISUSED and its a shame agnecies and hospitals are so damn incompetant.

I have been on benzo's for over 30 years, mostly prn but occasionally use for several months daily for rough patches. Each type reqires a that I use a different titration method. for instance, lorazepam with a short half life I can titrate down about every 4 days-like 2mg then 1.5 mg then 1 mg etc. each one every 4 days. Clonazapam is trickier for me. on that one I titrate once a week cause it takes that long to settle down to the next level. So then 2mg -1.5 mg would be one week then next week 1 mg. IOWs each level i stay on for one week. Going to a level and noticing a lot of anxiety means I'm going too fast so with clonazepam its easy to titrate cause of the slow 1/2 life. so for instance I might go from 2mg to 1.5 but if too fast I can take 1.5 one day and 2mg the next day. so the patteren is 1.5-2-1.5-2 and that should lead to 1.5-1.5 -2, 2 being each 3rd day. then 1.5 every day etc. That is just food for thought of course everyone is different and should be supervised by a doc who knows something, but many are ignorant and some downright incompetant.

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I'm confused. I was rx'd 1mg of klonopin to take 2x/day AS NEEDED. Some days I take 2-3, some days I take none. From the stories I'm reading here about seizures and w/d sydrome, I get the feeling PRN is not the way this med should be administered. What's up with that?

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I'm confused. I was rx'd 1mg of klonopin to take 2x/day AS NEEDED. Some days I take 2-3, some days I take none. From the stories I'm reading here about seizures and w/d sydrome, I get the feeling PRN is not the way this med should be administered. What's up with that?

With me, IMO, I think it is better to take it regularly like with your other meds. When I took it PRN it did not work for me. I asked pdoc why and he said with klonopin there is a steady state in your system, as opposed to ie, xanax, which is fast acting and for things like panic attacks. Others on the board have said though taking it PRN helped. But for me, I need to take it every day on a regular basis to get the full effect of it.

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PRN is a valid way to dose klonipin if you have irregular anxiety, or if you have chronic anxiety that is being managed with other tools (including other meds).

If you have chronic anxiety, some pdocs will rx to try to achieve steady-state of klonipin in the system.

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I have read all the posts on this forum, and I have read how some people think they can cold turkey. NOT TRUE. I did this once on my own intentionally (3-4 mg/day at night) and on Day 4 or 5, I started to hallucinate. Fortunately, I had the wherewithall to know something was going on, and I called 911. I was taken to a psych unit and told, no, you have to taper off. I had a car accident recently, and I blame it on Klonopin. Now, here I am again, four years later attempting to get off of it. My PCP thinks it's okay to cold turkey - no way was he told via letter from me, after making me feel like a drug addict on the phone because I had run out early. Thank God, I found this site as it led me to the Ashton site, benzos.org, where I've learn lots of info that has been passed along to my PCP. I regret the first day I ever took this drug - which was a replacement of Ativan, which in my opinion is MORE addictive than Klonopin due to its half life. Ativan/lorazepam is banned in the UK because of this. I see my PCP Tuesday morning, after allowing him enough time to digest my letter about tapering off with diazepam. I told him I would like him to set up a taper schedule or I would go to a pyschopharmacologist, who can do it.

I had to add my $.02 after hearing all the stories about cold turkey'g. I fortunately didn't have siezures, but the hallucinations were enough. I canNOT strongly say enough that cold turkey IS NOT THE WAY TO GO! The Ashton Method seems to be the best.

Regards,

Scotlynn

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If you have been using them as prescribed, and your pdoc knows what s/he is doing, you most likely will not have to go to rehab to get off of them. The titration off of benzos is painfully slow, but it can be done without side effects. You risk seizures if you go off of benzos cold turkey, or too quickly, but that is very unlikely if you follow a proper titration schedule.

I have titrated off of 1.5 milligrams before (now I take 2mg, with 1mg PRN). It took me a long time, but I didn't even notice it. You should really go down a tiny amount every 10-14 days. In my case, I went down .25mg every two weeks. When I got to the last 25mg, after two weeks, I went to every other day for a week or two. So about 3+ months total. And voila. Not a symptom.

Please do not make alarmist statements. I am sorry you went through what you did, but you are in the minority.

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Oops, sorry Scotlynn,we cross-posted.

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Oops, sorry Scotlynn,we cross-posted.

Tis okay, CRT, I figured as much. So you titrated 25 mg every two to four weeks or was it 2.5 mg?

Thanks,

Scotlynn

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Oops, you're right. .25mg. Yes, and if you want to be extra cautious, you could go:

x-.25 grams 2 weeks

x-.50 odd days, -.25 even days (probably a week to 10 days would be enough)

x-.50 2 weeks

x-.75 odd days, .50 even.

etc.

That's how I did it, at any rate. You can probably go a little faster than this, but if you start to feel cruddy, go back up to the previous dose, wait a few days, then try dropping it again. And obviously, it doesn't matter if you take a particular dose odd days or even, that was just an example. When you get to the end, take whatever is left (usually .25.mg) and take it every other day for a week or two more.

As I said, it takes forever, but I had zero withdrawal symptoms. Good luck.

Remember, there's no rush.

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I have been taking this for about 5 or 4 months. How. Do. I. Get. Off!!!

I mean, I can't spend a day without taking. And is only 0.25mg at night!! If I don't take it, I become VERY hypomaniac, and when I take it I go straight to depression. I want to get off like NOW. I have a trip in 1 week and need to be fine. My vision is all blurred and my blood presure goes way high if I spend 3 days without taking this med. Fuck this drug.

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Talk to your doc, definitely. Sooner rather than later if you have vision issues specifically from this med.

ETA: Sorry... may have mis-read your statement. Looks like you get increased BP and blurry vision when you stop taking it instead of when you take it.

Cold turkey is dangerous with benzos.

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which was a replacement of Ativan, which in my opinion is MORE addictive than Klonopin due to its half life. Ativan/lorazepam is banned in the UK because of this.

Addiction and dependence are not the same thing. This is alarmist. Banned in the UK ? The UK is well known as a forward thinker in matters psychiatric. Ha !

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Well, if that is true, a lot of seizure patients in the UK are screwed. No ativan to prevent or stop seizures? IF that is true, it is a bullshit decision by the NHS.

But I can't find that it is illegal in the UK. Wikipedia lists different dosages that are used in the UK. In fact, I am finding anti-benzo sites in the UK that list ativan as one of the problems.

Perhaps you could provide a link about ativan being illegal in the UK.

ETA: Um, this was directed at Scotlynn. I don't know what my aversion to the "quote" button is about.

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I honestly don't know. I went cold turkey after being on it for 2 months, but I probably just didn't build up a strong dependence. I had no side effects/withdrawl symptoms. And I was only on .5 two times a day.

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Here is my 2 cent....to add along with the rest of the 98% opinion here about withdrawls - if you have never went cold turkey - listen to us - DON'T GO COLD TURKEY!!!

I hurt for those of you who want to go this route.

 

I've been taking .5mg twice a day of klonopin for 4 years. I have decided to wean myself off by taking whole pill in the am & half pill in the pm for a month, then half pill am & half pill pm next month, then half pill a day the following month & hopefully just take half pill every other day the following month....until me & this hell drug are no longer "friends".

My doc & I have already discussed taking me off at some point & switching to something else. My 4 year date is coming up soon so I am going to start weaning myself down.

I only suffer from anxiety, depression. But it wasn't until the long term effects of klonopin have me paralyzed. I do not work or go to school. I wasn't sure if it was the recent extreme stress I've been through or this drug, I'm certain it's the drug. It has me convinced that I am not as resilient as I used to be and that the older I get the less I am able to handle stressful events (death, cancer diagnosis, murder trial of my aunt's murderer).

 

My memory is shot to shit. I cannot tell you what I did 3 days ago. I feel tired ALL THE TIME, my sleep is messed up, I feel crazier now than before, sluggish, recently I get confused & dizzy. I like the drug because it does give me some "pep" or motivation to get up and do shit around the house, while the drug is kicked in I can remember stuff that I need to do, I am less socially awkward & talk better. but it's so not worth it.

 

Last year I ran out of meds for 2 weeks & I can say I would rather die than go through that torture again. I hurt all over, I would jerk & twitch, loud noises scared me bad, i felt like i was trying to make it second to second. Amoung an ass load of other horrible symptoms that I cannot remember (Thank you klonopin) I probably don't want to remember them anyway. I. WAS. NOT. OKAY. HELL, HELL HELL!!!!! Kudos to those of you who are able to handle this - NOT FOR ME!

 

Wish me luck! Ima gonna need it Lt. Dan!!!

 

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