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Is anyone here social phobic and anti-social / introverted?

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Hi, 

I'm just wondering if anyone else feels their social phobia has at least some element of anti-socialness about it? 

 

My social anxiety has been quite bad at times, to the point where I never went outside for quite a while.  But over the years I have become more comfortable speaking to people and I can function day-2-day and manage tasks like grocery shopping, albeit with some anxiety.  

 

The thing is I do wonder sometimes if it is really my anxiety that keeps me isolated or if I am just antisocial in some way.  Sometimes I literally just want people to f*ck off out of my way, often times I'm just not interested in their inane chit-chat and small talk.  I have a very large personal space bubble and I physically and mentally cringe when someone sits next to me in a lecture or waiting room or whatever. I struggle to engage in normal small talk with acquaintances  like "hello, how are you..." , because I simply don't care.  On the other hand I can form meaningful relationships and have indepth conversations with certain people who I feel safe with and have some respect for. 

 

Is is weird? Is it part of social anxiety? 

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Yes, I am socially anxious and I don't really enjoy small talk with acquaintances. I don't think it's a part of social anxiety, but maybe it's from being used to spending quiet time on my own.  I'm thinking it's similar to someone who lives alone for a long time and gets set in their ways. It's hard then to adapt to sharing the space with someone else. Maybe I'm set in my ways of (not)conversing  and it's off putting 

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Yes, I am socially anxious and I don't really enjoy small talk with acquaintances. I don't think it's a part of social anxiety, but maybe it's from being used to spending quiet time on my own.  I'm thinking it's similar to someone who lives alone for a long time and gets set in their ways. It's hard then to adapt to sharing the space with someone else. Maybe I'm set in my ways of (not)conversing  and it's off putting 

I wondered if it might be borderline or 'mild' aspergers or something, if such a thing exists. 

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Oh, I don't know much about those dx. Are you going to talk to a doc about it?

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I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

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Honestly, some people are just asocial, introverted.

 

For myself, I had severe Social Anxiety w/ Selective Mutism for most of my life (21 years). And after about 13 years I became asocial. Not just being socially withdrawn from anxiety, but not caring to be around people at all & enjoying my own company.

 

I also had a very large personal bubble, to where if it was poked I would get very uncomfortable (although I attribute this to social anxiety).

 

When it comes to Autism & Asperger's (ASD) it generally goes by your symptoms you have had throughout your childhood. Many of times asocial people, or people with social anxiety can have similar symptoms of ASD, while many people with ASD have anxiety. If it is something you are worried about talk to your pdoc.

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I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

This sounds a lot like me.

As a teenager I had a very active social life. With the onset of my anxiety came closing off (mostly because as I started to stay home more and more and was able to go out less and less friends who didn't understand dropped off the radar). Now days it doesn't bother me that I don't really have "real" life friends. I don't enjoy small talk except with a few select people and I hate having people in my house or answering/talking on the phone.

I guess I like to be selectively social. I'm quite happy to hop on a forum or website to talk to people when I'm in the mood, but I like that I can turn it off too unlike real life where you're stuck.

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I guess I like to be selectively social. I'm quite happy to hop on a forum or website to talk to people when I'm in the mood, but I like that I can turn it off too unlike real life where you're stuck.

 

^THIS.

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Honestly, some people are just asocial, introverted.

 

For myself, I had severe Social Anxiety w/ Selective Mutism for most of my life (21 years). And after about 13 years I became asocial. Not just being socially withdrawn from anxiety, but not caring to be around people at all & enjoying my own company.

 

I also had a very large personal bubble, to where if it was poked I would get very uncomfortable (although I attribute this to social anxiety).

 

When it comes to Autism & Asperger's (ASD) it generally goes by your symptoms you have had throughout your childhood. Many of times asocial people, or people with social anxiety can have similar symptoms of ASD, while many people with ASD have anxiety. If it is something you are worried about talk to your pdoc.

Well I don't have a pdoc so I am a bit stuffed there!  Anyhow I've done a couple of online screening tests and I score highly for ASD/AQ... the thing is it strikes me that a lot of the questions which could indicate ASD could also be caused by anxiety.  Anyhow I'm not really sure how having another label would benefit me so I'm not sure I will follow it up in any detail.   I certainly feel as though I don't quite 'fit', but maybe that is because I'm studying at university and surrounded by people that are mostly 5-10 years younger than me.   I do vastly prefer my own quiet space though... I absolutely cannot stand other peoples noise (chit chat, coughing, rustling food packets) it drivers me insane and almost physically hurts sometimes.   On the flip side I can enjoy socialing on rare occasions with the right person. 

 

I could never tolerate someone 'poking' me... most likely I would flip out at them.  I get pissed when people sit next to me if there are other empty seats nearby!

 

 

I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

I guess I like to be selectively social. I'm quite happy to hop on a forum or website to talk to people when I'm in the mood, but I like that I can turn it off too unlike real life where you're stuck.

 

I think both the above could apply to me.  I'm extremely selective....... only on my terms and when I'm in the mood !

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I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

 

The line in bold:  the only time it does cause me anxiety is if/when someone points out how I don't get out enough and am not around people enough.

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I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

 

The line in bold:  the only time it does cause me anxiety is if/when someone points out how I don't get out enough and am not around people enough.

 

So basically other people judging you based on their perception of your social life and their own view of what is 'normal' when it comes to 'getting out'.    :(  It is sad how we allow other people to drag us down really... I do wonder if those of us with 'social anxiety' would stop feeling so damn anxious if more extroverted people didn't directly and indirectly apply so much pressure on us to be one of them. 

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I am both anti-social and have anxiety also, but I see them as separate things (well, they could be).  The anxiety I have isn't always with just people; I have anxiety about almost everything to some extent.  Also have agoraphobia, which is pretty much under control.  But being anti-social doesn't cause much anxiety with me, if any.

 

The line in bold:  the only time it does cause me anxiety is if/when someone points out how I don't get out enough and am not around people enough.

 

So basically other people judging you based on their perception of your social life and their own view of what is 'normal' when it comes to 'getting out'.    :(  It is sad how we allow other people to drag us down really... I do wonder if those of us with 'social anxiety' would stop feeling so damn anxious if more extroverted people didn't directly and indirectly apply so much pressure on us to be one of them. 

 

Yes, that is right.  Others judge me based on their idea of what "normal" is.

 

You're right ... It would be really nice if the more extroverted people didn't apply any pressure on us to be one of them.

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I have social anxiety and I'm an introvert. One better days, the fact that others pressure me to always participate bothers me less and I'm more able to function (for a short period) without worrying how everything I do is being looked at by others. When at its worse, the anxiety can turn to anger and I make sure to stay away from others rather than risk an outburst I'll never live down. The embarrassment of past outbursts has really made me more aware of my own limits.

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i think it really depends on the individual person. living with social phobia/a lot of anxiety for your whole or most of your life tends to make someone averse to maintaining relationships etc. because they haven't really had the room to make good memories and have good experiences. others are just naturally introverted. i do know people with social phobia (from group therapies and stuff) who really desperately want to have a "normal" or healthy social life but just feel unable to because of their anxiety.

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I have difficulty discerning the difference between symptoms of  depression and what is social phobia at times. I do know that I began to isolate myself because of depression many years ago and that long term habits are challenging to change. Change is possible but it requires energy and motivation and it seems that depressive illness makes it harder to summon enough energy and motivation to make a consistent effort to change. The age old question of self esteem fits in here too for me. I have to believe that I am worthwhile before I will seek out the company of other people in person and this belief wavers a lot.

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I'm introverted, but I didn't start out that way. I've heard that it doesn't change in people, but thinking back on my life I seemed to have changed after some trauma.

 

I have a block about leaving the house and I don't understand it. It's anxiety about getting to whatever place I'm going. If I'm depressed, every moment until I get home feels like I am in hell. If I am not terribly depressed and manage to get out, I don't stop going until I run out of energy

 

I love having one on one conversations with other people, but large groups can suck the life out of me.

 

I don't have "social stamina". When I get home after being social, I am usually burnt to a crisp and need a couple of days to hide out. Really really sucks. 

 

EDIT: I forgot to add, I imagine that being socially isolated doesn't help outsiders to look upon us favorably. It's not like they see a whole lot of us since we're hiding away/aren't upfront about being socially isolated.

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I don't have "social stamina". When I get home after being social, I am usually burnt to a crisp and need a couple of days to hide out. Really really sucks. 

 

 

I definitely share this low social stamina. When I go out with people I almost always have immediate consequences of paralyzing anxiety and regret. Maybe it's partly because the people I socialize with tend to be "mom" friends --people I know because our kids have grown up together, some of whom might not have been friends under different circumstances. If I lived near enough to go out with the one or two people who count as close friends, who have known me in many different contexts and accept my flaws and crazy, it would maybe be different.

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I have a block about leaving the house and I don't understand it. It's anxiety about getting to whatever place I'm going.

 

Me too.  I used to HAVE to be out of the house or I'd go crazy, but it is the complete opposite now.  I can't pinpoint anything that changed it, but something clearly did, around the late 2000's.

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I have a block about leaving the house and I don't understand it. It's anxiety about getting to whatever place I'm going.

 

Me too.  I used to HAVE to be out of the house or I'd go crazy, but it is the complete opposite now.  I can't pinpoint anything that changed it, but something clearly did, around the late 2000's.

 

this is me all over. As a teenager and young adult I never wanted to be home. Now I can barely leave it.

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Hi, 

I'm just wondering if anyone else feels their social phobia has at least some element of anti-socialness about it? 

 

Yep. I'm not actively misanthropic, but apart from social anxiety, I just don't have the desire to maintain relationships with people. I get no pleasure from social relationships, so basically I'd be forcing myself into anxiety for no reward. I keep my interaction with people superficial as much as possible.

 

 

Is is weird? Is it part of social anxiety? 

 

I think a lot of extroverted people who get pleasure from being social might say it's "weird." I know it seems to cause people to withdraw from me after awhile. I think maybe they get to thinking I don't like them.

 

As for whether it's part of social anxiety, I don't know. I've been given to think that social avoidance and anxiety often includes a desire, deep down, to have relationships, which causes discomfort. But I suppose if a person's been socially phobic for a long time, a sense of general avoidance/indifference might be adjunct.

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I have difficulty discerning the difference between symptoms of  depression and what is social phobia at times. I do know that I began to isolate myself because of depression many years ago and that long term habits are challenging to change. Change is possible but it requires energy and motivation and it seems that depressive illness makes it harder to summon enough energy and motivation to make a consistent effort to change. The age old question of self esteem fits in here too for me. I have to believe that I am worthwhile before I will seek out the company of other people in person and this belief wavers a lot.

Yes, depression destroys self esteem and without self esteem you just want to hide from the world.

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I have always been introverted, not always anti-social, but I feel best on my own and actually do need periods of personal space/time from even my husband & child. As I've gotten older, my tolerance for crowds/people in general has lessened. I could call it AS, but, I could also call it the world's abundance of vapid a-holes.

 

Late 20's: panic attack was when I knew SAD, GAD, Panic, Depression, and other symptoms that had been just background noise in my life were VERY REAL. I don't feel I have all my diagnoses as I am learning to be more self-aware and can notice behaviors and patterns that don't seem "normal." But, with the dx's I do have, I pretty much need medication to be able to function in the social world. Major anxiety can definitely make you want to stay away from people/the outside world.

I have bouts of agoraphobia-like symptoms where it really doesn't seem possible to go anywhere and interact with people even if it'll just be a quick nod and exchanging of money for food.

For me, I have to exert a lot of energy to do normal things (school--with youngins too!, grocery shopping, taking my car in for whatever, etc).  It feels like an intense workout. And it doesn't often feel worthwhile. I do it because I want to be a good mother, and part of that is trying to "get better."

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Over the years, I've become very misanthropic. I can't stand small talk, people sitting next to me, people asking pointless questions, hearing others' answers to dumb questions (ex. on a snowy, 20 something degree day in January: coworker 1: "Is it cold out?" coworker 2: "I don't know. I will tell you when I get back inside.") I think it's also something to do with lack of novelty, working in the same place, at the same desk for over 6 years. It is beyond monotonous. 

 

I've recently veered from simple social phobia headlong into full-blown paranoia. I can't trust a single person anymore about anything, and that's pretty much ruined my view of society.  Being an introvert in America makes everything so much worse. That I've been treated as a pariah my entire life for being quiet and sensitive - it just kills me.

 

It's not right!

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antisocial? sometimes i wonder but i don't think i'm actually aspd. i have a lot of anger, i hate people, i think about killing the ones that i think have done me wrong, and i don't care to knowmost people or ever feel lonely. BUT that was only without medication. i got really passionate about how people were innately evil and that they should be eradicated. the more people tried to get close to me the angrier i got. now that im more stable i don't really feel that. i just feel very indifferent. i don't care enough to want to have people be wiped out and i'm not angry at people, i just don't care about most of them. i don't mind not having friends really and i don't feel "better" around them, i just am very indifferent to them. i have schizoid traits and my tdoc was curious about aspberger's because of my social problems, sensitivity to stimulation, rigidity, etc. but we haven't talked about it in a lot of months so i'm not going to say i'm on the spectrum, just that there are a lot of traits i have and it was discussed but not definitively.

 

i don't really consider myself socially anxious because i don't have a fear of judgement. i am not diagnosed socially anxious but with generalized anxiety, panic with agoraphobia, and specific phobia. i don't go outside though, i don't have many friends, i am very scared around people, so i actively avoid them. i don't really know why i am scared of people, but i do know that when i do "make friends" it doesn't last because i get paranoid. i start thinking that they are following me or want to kill me so i don't get close to many people because it sucks when that starts to happen. last friend i made i thought they put cameras in my room and even when i moved out of town i stopped sleeping because i thought they would come after me and come into my house at night.its so silly looking back, but even now i'm ignoring a friend i had just made because i think they might want to hurt me. luckily i'm socially indifferent and have never felt lonely or anything. 

 

being around others is very very fatiguing. i don't like it, like others have said, i come home feeling drained even though it seems like other people get energy from it. i have trouble with social behavior too, what to say, understanding what people mean by their words or expressions. someone tries to give me a high five and i literally don't know what they mean.....last time someone put their hand up for a high five i didn't know what to do so i actually stroked their hand :P so i really don't like all that. i will onnly go out and meet people if i have been drinking because it makes it easier.

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I think the way you write, it could be either, but at the same time, the fact that quite a bit of your writing is tinged with emotional content leads me to believe it might be more social anxiety. People who are truly introverted don't necessarily struggle with conversation or get irritable with others when socializing; they just tend to gravitate towards solitary activities -- reading, video games, etc. -- than group ones. 

 

I understand what you're saying though. There are times when I become irritable when people are talking to me about stuff I don't care about or I think is "stupid," but I also think deep down inside it might have more to do with my social anxiety and less-than-stellar interpersonal skills. Haha.

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