I know I read a thread about Rohypnol quite some time ago, but I can't seem to find it.
I know most of you won't be able to answer this, seeing Rohypnol is illegal in US. (Right?) But I'm curious since Xanax really doesn't work that well anymore, unless I take 3 mg and that gives me horrible hangover. Isn't Rohypnol considered to be the most potent of the benzos, with Xanax in second place? Correct me if I'm wrong. I know my pdoc prescribes Rohypnol and has several times confused me with other patients taking Rohypnol and saying stuff like "so how's the Rohypnol working?". Hey, she's old and ditzy, but she's good. I had an appointment today but forgot mentioning Xanax doesn't work that well anymore.
I don't think it's that I've built up a tolerance for it since I haven't been taking it that much lately.
Any experienes or facts would be appreciated. I'll google a bit, but I prefer first-hand experiences.
Half-life?
Hangover?
Effectiveness?
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Are you looking for sleep medicines ? I'll assume you are. But sleep meds (sedating, compared to a strictly anxiolytic effect ) can reduce your anxiety too. For as far as I know Xanax is for anxiety/panic in particular.
Rohypnol is a potent benzodiazepine. My own personal reaction to it was that it didn't really help me sleep, but at the prescribed dose (1mg ? 2 mg ?) I clearly felt it had a depressing effect on my respiration. One reason why it didn't really help me sleep may be that I was disturbed/worried about the effect it had on my respiration/breathing. But for as far as I know, that's not a problem for most people.
In general, I'd suggest you don't take more of a benzodiazepine or a stronger benzodiazepine than necessary.
There are stonger benzodiazepines. Midazolam (available as in IV, and in tablets (Dormicum ?)) and Triazolam. Supposedly Midazolam frequently has a depressing effect on your respiration. Triazolam is also strong, but psychiatric side-effects are not unusual. I'm unsure but I think that Midazolam is for most people the most potent benzodiazepine.
Rohypnol is a potent benzodiazepine. My own personal reaction to it was that it didn't really help me sleep, but at the prescribed dose (1mg ? 2 mg ?) I clearly felt it had a depressing effect on my respiration. One reason why it didn't really help me sleep may be that I was disturbed/worried about the effect it had on my respiration/breathing. But for as far as I know, that's not a problem for most people.
In general, I'd suggest you don't take more of a benzodiazepine or a stronger benzodiazepine than necessary.
There are stonger benzodiazepines. Midazolam (available as in IV, and in tablets (Dormicum ?)) and Triazolam. Supposedly Midazolam frequently has a depressing effect on your respiration. Triazolam is also strong, but psychiatric side-effects are not unusual. I'm unsure but I think that Midazolam is for most people the most potent benzodiazepine.
I can understand your frustration with xanax, but in your case, I don't see rohypnol being a real answer. Not to offend, but I remember reading that you'd been through xanax withdrawls (for dependence?) and rohypnol has been proven to be the most addictive benzodiazepine. That's probably a big factor in why it's not legal in canada/us.
personally, I'd recommend one of the z drugs. (es)zopiclone, zalepelon. zolopidem (Ambien) seems to be getting booed by the crazyboards, and I've never used it, so I can't really disagree. I'm not sure if you've tried any of them before, but it's probably an option (sorry, not really knowledgable on what drugs are available in sweden, hahaha)
They are however, still addictive. I used to take zopiclone (Imovane in canada) on and off for a while, and eventually started snorting them. It got to the point where I wanted it so bad I'd do it in public (ie coffeeshops, school, etc). I didn't have withdrawl from them though, I'm not sure if that's a fluke or that's how it is.
personally, I'd recommend one of the z drugs. (es)zopiclone, zalepelon. zolopidem (Ambien) seems to be getting booed by the crazyboards, and I've never used it, so I can't really disagree. I'm not sure if you've tried any of them before, but it's probably an option (sorry, not really knowledgable on what drugs are available in sweden, hahaha)
They are however, still addictive. I used to take zopiclone (Imovane in canada) on and off for a while, and eventually started snorting them. It got to the point where I wanted it so bad I'd do it in public (ie coffeeshops, school, etc). I didn't have withdrawl from them though, I'm not sure if that's a fluke or that's how it is.
I'm using benzos for anxiety and panic attacks and not as sleep meds.
And yeah, egygon, you're probably right. Scary place to be in. It's just that I really need that sense of security knowing that I can take a benzo that works when things get really crazy.
And yeah, egygon, you're probably right. Scary place to be in. It's just that I really need that sense of security knowing that I can take a benzo that works when things get really crazy.
FWIW Rohypnol is "the date rape drug" here in the U.S. It renders its victims unconscious.
It is here too. Doesn't mean it can't be helpful tho.
QUOTE (Helena @ May 8 2006, 03:47 PM) 
I'm using benzos for anxiety and panic attacks and not as sleep meds.
And yeah, egygon, you're probably right. Scary place to be in. It's just that I really need that sense of security knowing that I can take a benzo that works when things get really crazy.
And yeah, egygon, you're probably right. Scary place to be in. It's just that I really need that sense of security knowing that I can take a benzo that works when things get really crazy.
Ah. I assumed by hangover in your initial post, you meant when you woke.
Have you tried buspar? For a lot of people it seems to be relatively ineffective, but it might be worth a shot. I tried it for a little while, it worked okayish for me. I got insomnia like whoa, though
so I had to stop.
Also... about the addiction potential. After Xanax withdrawal I really learned to be careful with benzos. I try to take Atarax or phenergan for minor anxiety, and save Xanax for panic attacks.
off-topic discussion about the dangers of zoplicone, etc. and paxil's addictivness have been moved here. feel free to go there to continue to correct the misinformation provided by an anon poster. please use this thread for ansering helena's original question about rohypnol.
Helena, unfortunatley i had to move one of your posts that contained a very good question and comments that should have remained in this thread. i am going to quote that part of your post below, and see if i can find an answer to your question about buspar.
i'm sorry that this all exploded on your thread, and that i had to move some of your posts, and the posts of other members because of the problems caused by mr. anon. i have no first-hand knowledge of rohypnol, but i'm hoping that by splitting the thread, focus will be redirected to your original question.
sorry for all the chaos.
penny
Finally, benzos are usually a poor choice of medication for insomnia for a variety of reasons. The primary one being that the sedation effect is usually transient. After adjusting to the med, it's not as likely to make you sleepy, though due to either it's chemical properties or potency, this does not appear to be the case for Rohypnol. In any case... I think there are a lot better options for you to consider before giving something like this a try.
Well, I've had some luck with Nitrazepam for occasional insomnia. But that's not indicated for anxiety, but as a pure sleep med.
If Rohypnol is specifically a sleep med, then there's obviously no point of it. But from what I know, it's also used for extreme anxiety. Google "flunitrazepam + anxiety". Found a lot on that.
I don't think I could take Buspar, since it messes around with your seratonin in an antidepressant similar type of way, doesn't it? Can't take antidepressants, so I assume Buspar wouldn't be good either.
Helena, unfortunatley i had to move one of your posts that contained a very good question and comments that should have remained in this thread. i am going to quote that part of your post below, and see if i can find an answer to your question about buspar.
i'm sorry that this all exploded on your thread, and that i had to move some of your posts, and the posts of other members because of the problems caused by mr. anon. i have no first-hand knowledge of rohypnol, but i'm hoping that by splitting the thread, focus will be redirected to your original question.
sorry for all the chaos.
penny
QUOTE (Helena @ May 9 2006, 10:50 AM)
QUOTE (Sunshine @ May 9 2006, 02:07 AM)
Finally, benzos are usually a poor choice of medication for insomnia for a variety of reasons. The primary one being that the sedation effect is usually transient. After adjusting to the med, it's not as likely to make you sleepy, though due to either it's chemical properties or potency, this does not appear to be the case for Rohypnol. In any case... I think there are a lot better options for you to consider before giving something like this a try.
Well, I've had some luck with Nitrazepam for occasional insomnia. But that's not indicated for anxiety, but as a pure sleep med.
If Rohypnol is specifically a sleep med, then there's obviously no point of it. But from what I know, it's also used for extreme anxiety. Google "flunitrazepam + anxiety". Found a lot on that.
QUOTE (ehygon @ May 9 2006, 06:13 AM)
Have you tried buspar? For a lot of people it seems to be relatively ineffective, but it might be worth a shot. I tried it for a little while, it worked okayish for me. I got insomnia like whoa, though so I had to stop.
so I had to stop.I don't think I could take Buspar, since it messes around with your seratonin in an antidepressant similar type of way, doesn't it? Can't take antidepressants, so I assume Buspar wouldn't be good either.
I checked out the PI stuff for buspar, and you seem to be right. Dopamine agonism/antagonism and serotonin agonism. However, I'm not quite sure it's as extreme as an antidepressant, or at least I haven't noticed anything mentioned when i googled it.
Still, if you find it too sketchy, I'm sure something else will come to you.
Still, if you find it too sketchy, I'm sure something else will come to you.
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