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Ferdy

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    Time for your Klonopin!!!!

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  1. Almost 5 months now, most of it at 20 mg, I do think this drug makes a difference for me. I had mentioned a while back that I felt like it wasn't working on my anxiety anymore. After going through a week from hell, I can now say for sure that the B does help with my anxiety; it's not like taking a benzo though - it's more subtle. I feel like I'm just better able to deal with things, rather than getting overwhelmed. I had also posted that I hadn't cried at all since being on the B - well, this week I cried a lot due to mourning the loss of a loved one, so the crying was very appropriate. I was glad to see the B was not over-numbing me. I also started a pro-biotic that I had taken previously, Align; this has really helped with my remaining gastro issues (gas, constipation). My brother is also taking the B, and he said he has noticed improvement with his panic attacks - not as bad as they previously were. So I'm voting a thumbs-up on this one. Thanks for the update...I forgot though (without reading back through the whole thread)...did you come off of something else when you started the B? How about your brother? Did he change from something else?
  2. Been following this thread since it started, I've been agonizing over whether to change over to B from Prozac...I decided to try and took my first dose this morning. Nothing too substanstial to report yet. But the Prozac has had me fogged out and zombified for almost two years....and that's the main reason for this trial, since so many have commented that B doesn't have that effect. It does concern me that a lot of posters to the thread say it doesn't do much for anxiety, which is my main issue. Pdoc wanted me to try Fetzima first, but I've read that it is a VERY stimulating drug, and I'd rather be a zombie than climbing walls This thread has seemed to slow way down since March and April. How about some updates? Anyone who switched from Prozac and liked B better?
  3. Actually, tramadol DOES have antidepressant qualities. In addition to being a pain killer, it has a chemical structure VERY similar to Effexor. My pdoc actually prescribed it for me as an antidepressant, and it actually worked (somewhat). It gave me pretty bad insomnia, so I quit taking it. Let me tell you, withdrawal from tramadol is NOT FUN. It's like withdrawing from a combination of a narcotic AND Effexor at the same time Just started Brintellix today...we'll see...
  4. Can you give an update as to your success with Namenda (memantine)? This is an old post and hasn't been updated in a long time...
  5. Had another thought---have you tried Gabapentin? I took it for a short time for anxiety (didn't work), but I do seem to remember that it made me sleep well---I think the dose was around 125mg/night----again, another off-label, but Gabapentin is pretty safe from my research and my doc----
  6. With your research, what are the risks? I personally have pursued many options and nothing works. Well, chances are probable that the risks are minimal, especially at very low doses, say, under 50mg or 25mg/day---but that is not the point that I am trying to make. Like others have said, Seroquel in being misprescribed/overprescribed off-label as a sleeping pill which should not be. Some of the physical risks, although probably extremely slight at these doses, are metabolic changes such as increases in blood glucose (and increased risk of pre-diabetes or diabetes itself) and changes to lipid (cholesterol and triglyceride) profiles, and possible QTc prolongation. The other risks are you are being prescribed an antipsychotic drug when you may not have any features that warrant such. Seroquel is not a perfectly OK drug to take off-label like, say, a vitamin---it is a serious drug devoloped for serious mental illnesses. Go ahead, others that disagree can flame away. My pdoc has told me as much. Another drug that gets prescribed off-label for insomnia is Remeron (mirtazapine). It is EXTREMELY sedating, ESPECIALLY at low doses, say 15mg or 7.5mg/day. Here again, this drug is an atypical antidepressant, that has a completely different mechanism of action than the SSRI's---but it is still an antidepressant, not a sleeping pill, although it certainly does that job well. All of this from my doctor---not me. One that he says he will prescribe off-label for sleep is Trazadone (at very low doses---50mg/day or less---25mg should put you to sleep till next week). His reason for this is that you have to get to VERY high doses before it even begins acting like an AD, and even then it's not a very good one. Other than these, you're only choices are the "true" sleep aid meds like Ambien and Sonesta, the hypnotic minor tranquilizers (benzodiazepines---Valium, Xanax, Klonopin and about 10 others). After that, you're down to the OTC sleep aids like Nytol, Sominex, etc. which all have the same active ingredient, Benedryl---an antihystamine. Then the "natural" supplement like stuff, melatonin and some others. Hope this helps you out---I know that insomnia is a bear and can make you desperate for a good nights sleep---just use your better judgement and your doctor's advice----- Awaiting the flames------------------------------ You shouldn't get flames, because technically you are right. I'm prescribed it for insomnia but I know its not approved for it, but doctors are prescribing it like candy. With me, I tried all the pills that are approved and they don't work me. I used to take Trazodone for it, but it stopped working. Benadryl will only work here and there for maybe 2 hours and makes me feel weird when I wake up. Benzos don't make me tired. Tried the ones that are supposed to help with sleep, didn't help. I've tried OTC except for Melatonin. I can't seem to get a straight answer on how much to try with Melatonin. Well, another sedating AAP is Zyprexa, again be off-label, but it comes with the same risks as Seroquel, probably more so in the metabolic realm---- A good search of the internet should give you some idea of what dose melatonin to start out with; but, to be honest, if all of the aforementioned don't put you to sleep, I highly doubt melatonin will help you any atoll---
  7. With your research, what are the risks? I personally have pursued many options and nothing works. Well, chances are probable that the risks are minimal, especially at very low doses, say, under 50mg or 25mg/day---but that is not the point that I am trying to make. Like others have said, Seroquel in being misprescribed/overprescribed off-label as a sleeping pill which should not be. Some of the physical risks, although probably extremely slight at these doses, are metabolic changes such as increases in blood glucose (and increased risk of pre-diabetes or diabetes itself) and changes to lipid (cholesterol and triglyceride) profiles, and possible QTc prolongation. The other risks are you are being prescribed an antipsychotic drug when you may not have any features that warrant such. Seroquel is not a perfectly OK drug to take off-label like, say, a vitamin---it is a serious drug developed for serious mental illnesses. Go ahead, others that disagree can flame away. My pdoc has told me as much. Another drug that gets prescribed off-label for insomnia that should not be is Remeron (mirtazapine). It is EXTREMELY sedating, ESPECIALLY at low doses, say 15mg or 7.5mg/day. Here again, this drug is an atypical antidepressant, that has a completely different mechanism of action than the SSRI's---but it is still an antidepressant, not a sleeping pill, although it certainly does that job well. All of this from my doctor---not me. One that he says he will prescribe off-label for sleep is Trazadone (at very low doses---50mg/day or less---25mg should put you to sleep till next week). His reason for this is that you have to get to VERY high doses before it even begins acting like an AD, and even then it's not a very good one. Other than these, you're only choices are the "true" sleep aid meds like Ambien and Sonesta, the hypnotic minor tranquilizers (benzodiazepines---Valium, Xanax, Klonopin and about 10 others). After that, you're down to the OTC sleep aids like Nytol, Sominex, etc. which all have the same active ingredient, Benadryl---an antihistamine. Then the "natural" supplement like stuff, melatonin and some others. Hope this helps you out---I know that insomnia is a bear and can make you desperate for a good nights sleep---just use your better judgement, know that there are potential side effects, and always follow your doctor's advice----- Awaiting the flames------------------------------
  8. It " acts " like a different drug at different doses. This has been discussed before A LOT but I'll go with you through it again. It's a sedative at low doses It's an antidepressant at moderate doses It's an antipsychotic at high doses I am not arguing the fact that it is a different drug at different doses---there is no question about it. What I am saying is that it is not approved---EVEN OFF-LABEL---as a sleeping pill at ANY dose----sedative effect or not----please show me where this is incorrect on my part----
  9. Actually, Seroquel should not be prescribed as a sleep inducing agent at all---it is an atypical antipsychcotic, regardless of the dose----not a sleeping pill that happens to be sedating at low dosages. It is not approved for this, even off-label. There are risks involved with using a powerful drug like Seroquel for such use. I would persue other options, maybe OTC antihistamines, which are approved for sleeping aids-----
  10. Thanks Muriel, Yeah, it's AWFUL hard to do healthy things when you don't feel like doing much of ANYTHING. And, so far, the SQ seems to be making me worse in terms of motivation---maybe I'm better off lucid and anxious than zoned and stoned, which is how it's affecting me so far. Strangely, no drowsiness or increase in appetite though. I assume that since I've been on Remeron so long, my histamine pathways are completely numbed out---but, boy, when I first started it, it slammed me like a freight train in terms of sedation and carb craving, but that disappeared after a few weeks. I've never gained or lost any weight since my DX 5 years ago though--- But this scare is getting me on my exercise bike a few minutes today, and also did some calesthenics (sp?) as well.
  11. That actually part of the metabolic syndrome; high blood sugar, hypertension, and bad lipids. nf Does that mean I'm pretty well doomed and assured of developing T2 diabetes and having a heart attack? I guess so--- But, anyway, still wondering if Remeron adds fuel to the fire---I KNOW that SQ does (at least long term; but my dose is so small; could that dose do that much harm? I would think that screwing with lipids and blood sugar would be at much higher doses, but maybe not?), so that may be the end for that one--- Might suggest to pdoc to give Lexapro another try. Of all the ADs besides Remeron, it's been the one that came the closest to being somewhat tolerable.
  12. Hey ! If you are over weight like me then I would not look any further That plus history and sedentary lifestyle gives you diabeties. If I could loose the weight I would not be prediabetic. nf Well, I'm not overweight, 6 foot 1 inch, 205 lbs. If you look at weight and BMI charts, I'm maybe 10 lbs. over ideal. But all the other stuff definitely applies. Trying to start an exercise program and being more careful about eating too much sugar and carbs, though--- I'm sure having a bad lipid profile and hypertension adds to my effin mess---
  13. Thanks notfred (remember me? I AMFred, my real name). I presume that since you have a meter that you're diabetic? Supposedly the meter I got (Freestyle Lite) has been tested in several studies to be one of the most accurate ones on the market. But, you're right, I'll just have to get real labs done if stopping the Seroquel doesn't change anything. Maybe I'm just developing diabetes as a process of aging (54), family history (my mom), and sedentary lifestyle from being so damned homebound from agoraphobia. It's hard to get motivated to do anything like exercise or changing diets when you feel so down, depressed, disabled and anxious about the whole freaking mess---
  14. Hi guys and gals, As you can see from my signature, I've been taking 30mg Remeron (mirtazapine, Zispin) for about 5 years. My doctor has me trialing Seroquel at the moment, which is KNOWN to sometimes lead to diabetes. But does Remeron? Has anyone developed prediabetes or full blown diabetes while taking Remeron? Since my pdoc Rx'd Seroquel for me, I thought it would be a good idea to invest in a home glucose meter. I've only taken 4 doses of the Seroquel. I tested my blood glucose and lo and behold I'm getting numbers that suggest prediabetes (105 mg/dl after 8 hour fast, 195 mg/dl 1 hour after eating, and 136 mg/dl 2 hours after meal)---all suggestive of prediabetes and damn close to full blown diabetes. Talked to the doc about it, and he wants me to stop the Seroquel temporarily, and retest blood glucose after 3 days. If still high, then he wants to order lab testing. I tend to doubt that my glucose levels were raised from 4 doses of Seroquel, so I'm leaning more toward it being possibly caused from the Remeron. My last point of reference was 2 years ago when my glucose levels were normal (after 3 years on Remeron). Any comments? This is scaring the crap out of me-----
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