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I've been trying to figure out voices (auditory hallucinations) for a long time now. I know i ask lots of questions about them and i feel like an idiot. Sorry if im getting annoying

I'm posting this here as opposed to the schiz and psychosis board because this question is mainly directed towards those with bipolar disorder.

Someone told me once (on another forum) that people who hear internal voices are more likely to have something like depression, Bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, or disossiative identity disorder . And that schizophrenics don't generally hear internal voices/voices in their head, but are more likely to have external ones.

I don't think this is true. I've talked to so many schizophrenic/schizoaffective people who say they have mainly internal voices or both external and internal. In fact, i only know of about 2 or 3 schizophrenics who tell me they ONLY hear external voices and never internal ones.

I don't know if there is a difference between the way schizophrenics hear voicees and the way those with Bipolar hear voices. But my question is, for those of you with bipolar disorder who have experienced auditories, were they external, internal, both? What kinds of things did they say?. What i mean is, did they talk directly to you, command you to do things?, do they talk with each other and comment on things you are doing? Do they talk in foreign languages? do they say things that make no sense? Is it maybe just one word...like hearing your name being called?

thanks a lot for any input, guys.

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When I hear voics, they are extenal, but indistinguishable. I'll hear voices whispering out of the speakers while I'm listening to the radio, or from out of the toaster or inside the walls. I can almost understand what they're saying. It can become very frustrating.

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sometimes i hear voices with visuals of little people floating above me, mocking and making fun of me. they are mean and very clear. and they speak in unison.

other times i hear voices coming from behind a window or from inside the closet or from another room. sometimes these voices call my name and other times they are whispering and i dont clearly hear their words.

the only internal voices i ever hear are my own racing thoughts. which sounds like mulitple voices cuz they come so fast they overlap one another.

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I hear internal voices a lot. They often take the form of two people talking to each other, I don't know what about though- it's like when you overhear two people talking in public and you only get snatches of the conversation so you can't really understand it all. The voices will sometimes yell things at people I'm speaking to as well.

I also hear external voices- whispering mainly, and sometimes my internal voices get projected outwards, if that makes any sense.

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I hear internal voices only and they always sound like me. They always sound loud and clear and tell me to harm myself, providing plans etc. I am not hearing them anymore since I stated on Abilify.

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The only time I have had auditory hallucinations (well other than the voices of my insiders which I know are my insiders) was when I was at the CRU (crisis recovery unit theraputic community which is part of the Maudsley hospital in London UK) anyways they had the bright idea of putting me on Sodium Valporate, my G-d I have never been more frightened in my entire life, nothing has freaked me out more, I had both visual and auditory hallucinations of my own funeral, I flipped big time and thankfully found it in myself to tell the staff what was going on, it was fucking mental I could hear and see what everyone was wearing what they were saying, most of all I could see the face of my beloved Grampsy who was distraught.............it was a blessing though in a way as it made me realise even when things get to the point of me debating suicide (which have been a good few) there is one person who means more to me than life its self and that is the 86 year old guy who answers to the name of Jack David Mack and is the best Gramps in the world, he is my everything, without him I am nothing. Yes I have pushed my own personal boundaries more times than I can count but seeing and hearing how he was when I had that valporate will STOP me from suicide whilst he is still alive, I tell him daily that he is not alowed to die EVER cos the day he does is the day I probably will too .

Sorry for a morbid post

Lea

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It seems to me that psychosis from schizophrenia or psychosis from BP (or whatever) can be the same (external or internal voices, for example). DD is definitely bipolar but may have some schizo, too (PDoc said there isn't enough schizo symptoms to place her in that catagory but there is psychosis without mania). She has never had internal voices....always external and mostly someone just calling her name. She does hear murmuring at times, as well as crying, screaming, even heavy walking. Sometimes she'll hear a comment (rarely commentS) directed at her but that isn't common. Our PDoc who actually is a schizo specialist in the area doesn't focus on what the hallucinations are except to ensure they aren't command-type of hallucinations. As he said, it doesn't matter if you see a bunny or a monster, hear a laugh or someone murmuring - you are still having a hallucination.

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One more thing...it wasn't until our dd was affected that I really started to educate myself on these symptoms of MI. I've come to the conclusion that in a psychiatrist's office hallucinations are not that uncommon of a symptom to find. None of us want to experience or have loved ones experience psychosis but if nothing else my dd realizes that she's not as much an anomoly as she thought she was and with that knowledge it makes the whole aspect, fear, and concern of hallucinations a little easier for her to accept.

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Hi DMF,

I agree with you that psychosis in schizophrenia and psychosis in bipolar can be pretty much the same.

Sometimes she'll hear a comment (rarely commentS) directed at her but that isn't common. Our PDoc who actually is a schizo specialist in the area doesn't focus on what the hallucinations are except to ensure they aren't command-type of hallucinations. As he said, it doesn't matter if you see a bunny or a monster, hear a laugh or someone murmuring - you are still having a hallucination.

My understanding of schizophrenia is that Commentary and conversing voices are the most common, It states in the diagnostic criteria that only one symptom is needed to be diagnosed with schiz, which is; Voices keeping up a running commentary on the person, or 2 or more voices conversing with each other. And I've read that Commands Hallucinations, like telling the person to kill themsevles, or hurt others, are more common in People with bipolar disorder or psychotic depressiond.

Anyways, i don't know . Im sure there is much more to it then that.

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hi DMF,

one other thing. You seem to have a really good bond with your DD. It seems she tells you about almost all of her symptoms. I wish I had this with my mom, but she is still somewhat in denial that i have schizophrenia. Her mother and sister both had it and were both commited to state hospitals. Her moth eventually killed herself....So i can understand her being in denial.

When did your DD start having struggles. HOw old is she?

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I had really bad auditory hallucinations about three years ago. It was mainly comments about me, but I didn't think of them as disembodied voices; it sounded to me like it was actually the people around me who were saying these things. I also hallucinated when no one else was around, but then I assumed there must be someone there and I just couldn't see them. It got so that the only way I could hear what someone was actually saying was if they were standing close to me, facing me, and I had a good view of their lips moving. If they weren't close up and I couldn't see their lips moving, then my brain heard all kinds of things that they didn't actually say. And I also heard voices even if the people there weren't saying anything at all. Most of the comments I heard really weren't terribly insulting (although a few were), but it's disconcerting to be thinking that everywhere you go, every single person, even strangers, is constantly talking about you. I'm glad that hasn't been going on lately. I've had milder hallucinations, too. When I've heard internal voices rather than external ones, it was generally voices saying things that made absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. The words would form grammatically correct sentences but not mean anything.

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I had really bad auditory hallucinations about three years ago. It was mainly comments about me, but I didn't think of them as disembodied voices; it sounded to me like it was actually the people around me who were saying these things. I also hallucinated when no one else was around, but then I assumed there must be someone there and I just couldn't see them. It got so that the only way I could hear what someone was actually saying was if they were standing close to me, facing me, and I had a good view of their lips moving. If they weren't close up and I couldn't see their lips moving, then my brain heard all kinds of things that they didn't actually say. And I also heard voices even if the people there weren't saying anything at all. Most of the comments I heard really weren't terribly insulting (although a few were), but it's disconcerting to be thinking that everywhere you go, every single person, even strangers, is constantly talking about you. I'm glad that hasn't been going on lately. I've had milder hallucinations, too.

Wow. that's extream.It must have been very stressful. Sorry you went through all that.

When I've heard internal voices rather than external ones, it was generally voices saying things that made absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. The words would form grammatically correct sentences but not mean anything.

my internal ones are the same way. They just throw all kinds of words together, like , "water can bright on the border cloud" And they also make up their own words that sound like baby gibberish. Sometimes i hear them comment on things im doing, but usually just in one or two words.. Like the other day, i was standing in the kitchen drinking milk and i heard a voice yell out "MILK"

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mine are like whispers of someone behind me or in the next room, sometimes its like a tv or radio is on somewhere and then sometimes it's like things get looped in my head, like a noise from outside (car going by or bird chirping).

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The only external voices I get are someone calling my name, usually laced into music.

Internal voices, though... I hear my friends talking to me all the time. I'll strike up conversations with them, to the point that I'm waving my arms and acting like they're really there. It's awkward when people walk in and ask me who I'm talking to, because my instinct is to say "so-and-so", because to me, that's who I've been talking with. It's definitely lessened some since I started meds, but it still happens at times. It winds up to the point that I absolutely have to think aloud because otherwise I can't hear my own thoughts.

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Wow. that's extream.It must have been very stressful. Sorry you went through all that.

Thanks. I'd been having lots of paranoid and delusional thoughts for a few months, but I didn't start hearing external voices until this guy who had raped me got a part-time job on my university campus and I had to walk past him every day. Then I started hearing voices a lot of the time, even while not on campus (actually everywhere except in my own home -- I was still paranoid at home, but at least not hallucinating), for several weeks, until I could see my pdoc and he upped my Zyprexa. The stress of seeing that guy at school didn't cause my psychotic episode, since I was already paranoid and delusional, but I definitely think it exacerbated it. And then, as you said, the hallucinations brought more stress. Goody.

I haven't had any major problems with psychosis since then. But every time I have minor problems with it, like paranoia, I do get a little scared that maybe something like that will happen again.

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I'm glad I found this thread, because now I can really think about it. I thought that hallucinations were something pretty rare of me, but upon reflecting, they aren't really that rare. The long running commentary in my head, chatting, unrelenting music that I don't really consider hallucinations. People whispering. I've had extreme internal hallucinations, last summer, SCREAMING in my head to find a gun and kill myself and when I didn't telling me jump off a cliff. I ended up screaming SHUT UP and waking up everyone in a campground, but only tripling my Seroquel shut them up. I've had paranoid hallucinations, absolutely positive I could hear someone walking down my hallway when I was in the shower, coming to kill me.

Nothing lately though. I think all my meds ate them.

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Hi All,

I have a lot of auditory hallucinations. Especially when I am trying to sleep. I hear voices - i cant understand what they are saying - although I can tell it is english.

there is also the cell phone - i think that thing is ringing all the time. I turn it off and remind myself of this 10 times when I go to bed ....that way if i hear it, i know its just me and not the phone.

and i have heard the radio numerous times. its like the voices - i cant pick out a word....but i can tell the singing is in english and i can hear the instruments.

the anxious part of me asks - why are THEY doing this to me? I feel like Im an experiment only the government wont tell me. (which i realize is a different topic).

happy listening....let the voices only say nice things about us,

december

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