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I am a soda junkie. I drink a lot of diet sodas with aspertame and, so far, have pretty much ignored the whole "Its going to give you cancer and your head will explode!" debate.

I mean it sounded so much like the "Sacharine will turn you in to a newt" debate during the 70's...and then they later decided it didn't cause newtism after all...so they jerked around everyone for nothing.

But, I have noticed "brain fog" and , of course, just thought it was stress...or maybe another birthday on the way this fall, or whatever. But when I heard about other people tracing their brain fog to aspertame, I began to wonder. So I did a little experiment and switched to stuff sweetened with Splenda. And actually, I do feel like I have better concentration. Coincidence? Could be. Who knows?

Plus I have been reading a lot about stevia. I would like to give it a try, but it looks like there are about 4 million different formulations and if you get the wrong one, it has a crappy aftertaste. Plus it is expensive. I guess they use it instead of equal in Japan. Lily..you out there? Have you ever tried it?

Any ideas? Recommendations?

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FWIW, my neice can't use Splenda®. If you want to see her bounce off the walls and have a major freakout, give her anything with Splenda® in it.

We found this out totally by accident. My mom had picked-up a can of pineapples and they were sweetened with the stuff. But then she is HFA and it may be that she is just extra sensitive to the stuff?

I'm not showing any favouritism just giving you my experience.

I love Diet Dr. Pepper or coffee with REAL sugar.

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It may turn out to be a very individual thing...Splenda not working for some people, Equal bad for others. I've learned enough about individual reactions by reading posts on this site to know that may be the case.

Thanks for sharing your story though...I will keep an eye on Max since I can't pour a soda, tea, or anything without him swiping it.

I really am curious about the Stevia. I think it is getting the same bad rap as hemp. ( http://www.stevia.net/ ) And I am just ....well...CHEAP! (Thats what happens when you are poor for a long time...LOL) I guess I just need to get my butt down to Whole Foods and try it.

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Stevia is available in those little "sugar" packets. It was given to me in a restaurant. Don't know if Whole Foods carries it for consumers, but seems like they would.

I hate artificial sweeteners, but I have recently switched from Coke to Diet Coke because of the Seroquel in my life. I realize that I just can't have sugar any more on a regular basis.

I filled my sugar bowl with Splenda yesterday. Coffee with Splenda tastes like crap. I might have to learn to drink it black. Or else try stevia!

Which sodas have Splenda? I bet Whole Foods, et al have stevia-sweetened soda water. (I just realized that I have stopped saying soda water... and I don't want to lose that relic of childhood!)

Anyhow, I am interested in fake sweetener info.

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You will find no drinks sweetened with stevia in the US. It is illegal.

From www.stevia.net :

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration since the mid-1980s has labeled stevia an "unsafe food additive" and gone to extensive lengths to keep it off the U.S. market -- including initiating a search-and-seizure campaign and full-fledged "import alert."

To judge from the extensive measures the FDA has employed to keep Americans in the dark about stevia, one might assume it was some type of dangerous narcotic. But, in fact, no ill effects have ever been attributed to it, although it has been used by millions of people around the world, in some locales for hundreds of years.

So adamant has the FDA remained on the subject, that even though stevia can now be legally marketed as a dietary supplement under legislation enacted in 1994, any mention of its possible use as a sweetener or tea is still strictly prohibited. "

Diet Rite sodas all have splenda...lots of fun flavors...Pepsi One is a splenda sweetened soda. There are a few out there but you have to read the label.

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Wifezilla:

I've solved part of it by drinking my coffee black and my ice tea unsweetened.

If you only use a little sugar, you can have the real thing.

I've tried all the artificial things and they all taste off to me. I do occasionally have a diet soda, but I have to get the one with a lime flavor.

Most of the time I drink seltzer, which you can get in every flavor and no sugar or sweeteners. Or water.

I keep sugar in the house for the rare dessert I make, and for hummingbird nectar. Oh, and my hubby likes sugar in his (hot) tea. He doesn't care about the calories and it's too late to worry about his teeth! But a five-pound bag lasts for 5 or 6 or 7 months, so I don't think we're using a lot.

What do you want to use the sweetener in? Coffee? Baking? Just curious.

olga

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Latin Girl: Some people report memory issues and "brain fog" when they use Equal. It may be an issue for me, or it just may be old age ;)

Olga: I use it in drinks mainly. We can't keep sugar around the house or Max uses it ALL. I mean like half a bag for one batch of Kool-aid or iced tea.

Personally, I can't stand the way my mouth feels after drinking something with real sugar in it. And I don't do moderation well either. And I like my teeth :)

I can do club soda, but Max always opens the bottles, tastes it, goes yuck and pours it down the sink. (Life can be very interesting with an autistic teenager).

Yeah, plain water is fine, and I do try to drink it with just ice, but dammit...I like sweet...but do not like the calories.

For baking...well...I just don't bake much anymore. When I do I use real sugar or honey. Usually honey since Max doesn't bother with it and I can actually keep it on hand.

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why can't people use Equal? (just curious.) Thanks ;)

It's an artificial peptide (molecule made up of amino acids) that consists of phenylalanine and aspartic acid.

Aspartic acid may serve as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain. Some epileptics may not want

their brain more excitable than it already is.

phenylalanine is the amino acid that phenylketonurics (genetic disorder) can't metabolize to tyrosine.

It then builds up and damages their brains... Tyrosine is the amino acid your brain metabolizes to

create first dopamine and then noradrenaline. Increasing dopamine is considered Not A Great Idea for

bipolar and schizophrenic folks. Increasing noradrenaline often is unkind to folks with anxiety problems.

Me, it just gives a nasty headache that tylenol won't help.

FWIW, Splenda tastes nasty.

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And FWIW some people on Topamax can tell the difference between cane sugar and the corn syrup stuff. Which may be the reason why they lose weight from stuff tasting like shit?

Maybe?

All I know is the occasional Diet Dr Pepper is good.

Which may be the reason my seizures still are all fucked up?

Who knows who cares anymore.

I just fucking give up.

[this] Woman cannot live on water alone.

dammit...

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Years and years ago I figured out that Aspartame, Nutra-sweet, made my mood swing and gave me a hair trigger temper. The taste is tolerable.

Sucralose tastes awful to me and makes me want to scrape my tongue for up to a couple hours after consuming. I haven't eaten enough of this to see what, if any, mental effects it might have.

On the occasions that I use artificial sweetener its Sacharin, entirely for hot or ice tea. I'll take the occasional rat cancer. Nobody has come up with more damning evidence than the original 1960's data. Besides, Congress said it's ok to consume, by law! And, hey, they're looking out for our best interests.

My parents live on artificially sweetened low fat simulated food now. I check box labels and discretely avoid eating any of this crap. I finally convinced myself that the low fat stuff really does mess up my gut and isn't just my imagination. Guar gum, carageenan, gum arabic and alginate, while sticky, gooey and glumpy are no way to live.

a.m.

p.s. I still think Kool-Aid with cyclamates was the best tasting stuff!

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I'm wondering how "brain fog " is experienced- can you describe what it feels like?

i'm wondering ifmy feeling dissociative is brain fog from all the diet stuff i consume,

btw- i think splenda is yuchy, i pine for tab, and mmm- no-cal coffee and chocolate soda with cyclomates- ymm yumm.

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"I'm wondering how "brain fog " is experienced- can you describe what it feels like?"

I guess the best way to describe it is like your thoughts are moving through a thick cloud. You can't really focus too well either. That is what is going on for me.

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I Remember when Diet Coke added Splenda.

Because there were Billboards Everywhere and Ad's in Magazines and News

Papers about Diet Coke and Splenda Coming together.

Maybe you're ahead of us in LA, LG. It's still aspartame in the middle part of the country.

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I Remember when Diet Coke added Splenda.

Because there were Billboards Everywhere and Ad's in Magazines and News

Papers about Diet Coke and Splenda Coming together.

Maybe you're ahead of us in LA, LG. It's still aspartame in the middle part of the country.

They must be giving you guy's old stock. From the Link I posted..... It started in 2005

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Just chiming in...my grandad died when he was 91. He used a lot of saccharine every day....since I was aware of him....that's about 24 years of him and his wifey using it. The little bottle, the little pills...boy were they nasty tasting when I tried one. I think they used it in coffee and tea.

Were cyclamates dangerous? what were they in?

Are any soft drinks made with saccharine any more? If so, I'll try 'em!

And what is seltzer, is that like soda water? And how do you get flavored seltzer?

Is flavored seltzer like, cap ten or perrier?

I like tonic water...sort of bitter but nice....feels like it cleans my teeth. Then I noticed diet tonic. Hmm. what's up with that.

I like food threads!

Luli

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Diet tonic water is nasty.

There may be some saccharine sodas out there, but I don't think so. In the 70's they thought it gave you cancer and pulled it off the market. But now it is back. And yeah..also nasty.

Seltzer...club soda...yeah..carbonated water. Canada Dry brand has a line of flavored club sodas. They are about $1 a 2 liter bottle. I like Cranberry or Lime.

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There may be some saccharine sodas out there, but I don't think so. In the 70's they thought it gave you cancer and pulled it off the market. But now it is back. And yeah..also nasty.

tab is saccharine based, but it might also have aspartame in it.

i buy the packets of stevia from whole foods that are whole foods brand. they're by the vitamins as stevia (as you've noticed) isn't FDA approved as a food.

i haven't asked my doctor about stevia, but there are people who think it has problems. i don't use a lot of it and so haven't noticed anything.

2 years ago my dr. told me i had reached my life-time limit of aspertame and so i switched from diet coke to iced green tea and seltzer water. once you get over the hump of soda addiction the stuff starts to taste weird, honest. just have to tough out wanting it and the instinct to order soda with meals. i usually get iced tea when out, though some places (like islands) only serve sweatened (with aspertame) iced tea which i think is just silly.

i think it's good to get off aspertame. the less fake shit we put in our bodies the better.

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"the less fake shit we put in our bodies the better"

Yeah..I Agree. But then we are talking abouot breaking some long term bad habits...which is good...but still sucks.

I already gave up potatoes, white rice, white bread, velvetta...sheesshh!!!!

;)

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or coffee with REAL sugar.

Go Maddy GO! coffee rocks. decaf is the devil. sugar rocks. splenda is the devil.

and it gives my girlfriend MASSIVE headaches. we switched to organic almost everything and the horrible migraines went away.

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2 years ago my dr. told me i had reached my life-time limit of aspertame and so i switched from diet coke to iced green tea and seltzer water. once you get over the hump of soda addiction the stuff starts to taste weird, honest. just have to tough out wanting it and the instinct to order soda with meals. i usually get iced tea when out, though some places (like islands) only serve sweatened (with aspertame) iced tea which i think is just silly.

i think it's good to get off aspertame. the less fake shit we put in our bodies the better.

Hi. My name is Ophelia and I'm a former Diet Coke addict...

Literally drank that shit like fucking water for *years.* It's hard to stop, but, at least for me, Topamax sure did help! Seriously, soda tasted like crap. It's been almost a year that I've been on Topamax and, for some odd reason, I am still having issues with carbonation. I have come to have a new found respect for water... it truly is some good stuff... lol

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Hi. My name is Ophelia and I'm a former Diet Coke addict...

Literally drank that shit like fucking water for *years.* It's hard to stop, but, at least for me, Topamax sure did help! Seriously, soda tasted like crap. It's been almost a year that I've been on Topamax and, for some odd reason, I am still having issues with carbonation. I have come to have a new found respect for water... it truly is some good stuff... lol

hahaa

why just drinking water was the furthest thing from my mind for years is beyond me, but yeah... diet coke was water. 6 cans a day mmmm. gah.

giving up diet coke was as hard for me as quitting smoking. honest. i had a weird relationship with those silver cans. (cans, never bottles. or fountain if available. fountain was the best, but cans tasted better than bottled.)

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why just drinking water was the furthest thing from my mind for years is beyond me, but yeah... diet coke was water. 6 cans a day mmmm. gah.

That sounds like me. I think I forgot that water existed for the purposes of drinking for all those years. mmm... diet coke

giving up diet coke was as hard for me as quitting smoking. honest.

I guess you can say that Topamax was/is my Nicorette for Diet Coke. As for quitting smoking... yeah... haven't exactly done that yet... I should get on that...

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there's not a single diet coke drinker out there that does it recreationally. have you noticed?

and they are worried about my stims becoming addictive. puh lease.

congrats on kicking the habit folks... if you find a way to get rid of the smokie treats, i will be the first in line to hear how.

*as she reaches for a cigarette*

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On the occasions that I use artificial sweetener its Sacharin, entirely for hot or ice tea.

That must be one of the wierdest things about saccharine - it DOES taste good in tea.

My parents live on artificially sweetened low fat simulated food now. I check box labels and discretely avoid eating any of this crap.

It took 2 DAYS for my stomach to forgive me for one bag of WOW potato chips. "wow" is right...

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OK....

So not doing Splenda around here anymore.

http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.ph...c=12245&hl=

Not sure if Splenda is the reason for Max's freak out, but after what Maddy said earlier in the thread, I would rather not chance it again.

We finally made it over to Whole Foods to get the Stevia. I was still worried about aftertaste, and the cost, but what the hell. Turns out the flavored liquid Stevia was on sale...buy one get one free. I bought 2 Vanilla Creme for around $14 (should have gotten 1 vanilla, 1 raspberry. DOH!)

I put some in my water bottle to try it out and it actually wasn't bad at all. Aftertaste was minimal...less than Splenda. I would grade Equal as a tiny bit better, but not enough for me to worry about.

The 2oz bottle doesn't look like much for $14, but I got 2 of them, and it only took 5 drops to flavor a 9oz water bottle full. I also made Max a pitcher of iced tea...40 drops to 1 gallon (he likes it on the sweet side...most people would probably do 35). Still didn't even make a dent in the amount in the bottle.

We will soon find out if this is going to be a good alternative for us. On to the Max taste test ;)

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Taste Test...

I gave Max a glass of the tea and asked him to taste it to see if it was OK. He guzzled it. I wasn't even sure if any of it got a chance to hit his taste buds so I asked "Does that taste ok?"

He said "OK Mommy" and poured himself another glass. So...looks like Stevia will do it for Max.

I did some more experimenting on my own and added it to a cup of coffee. It was OK. Since I normally don't drink coffee unless it is LOOAADDDEEDDDD with creamer and sweetner, you can call that good. Still needs creamer, but is perfectly drinkable with the Stevia alone.

I have noticed it is very easy to go from "just enough" Stevia to "WOOO! What the hell is in this?!?!?" Go one drop at a time until it is to your taste.

If anyone else has tried the flavored Stevia, please let me know which ones you liked or didn't like. I do need to get some plain, but buy-one-get-one-free was too much of a deal for me to pass up.

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I have noticed it is very easy to go from "just enough" Stevia to "WOOO! What the hell is in this?!?!?" Go one drop at a time until it is to your taste.

yes, it does get over powering rather quickly. probably easier with the liquid than with the packets to measure the amount. i have the little packets of 365 brand (whole foods brand.) my silly super green food powder also has stevia in it. mmm green and sweet. "health food" is fucking weird.

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There are two kinds of diet coke- the kind with aspartame and the kind with splenda.

I actually enjoy the chemical taste of aspartame and prefer it to white sugar. I know I'm disgusting.

I can't stand the taste of Splenda-Coke, so I stick with aspartame Coke. I actually drink Black Cherry Vanilla Diet Coke, which only comes in aspartame version, I think.

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Nope..not disgusting. Hubby and I both agree. Equal tastes better than sugar :wtf:

Question for y'all....

What is the deal with stevia and koolaid?!??!?! I added a normal amount of plain stevia (20 drops) to a batch of Invisible Raspberry Koolaid. Then I tasted it and it was sooo sour. So I added more and tasted. Still sour. Did this several MORE times and it is still as SOUR AS ALL HELL! ;)

Well CRAP! :)

Worked great on coffee, fantastic on tea...but KOOLAID is like the anti-stevia or something...

:cussing:

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Ever since this topic was started I have been freaking out!..

I was at the market the other day. Going to buy my usual Splenda!

I was standing there looking at all the different sweeteners' I was going to pass out!

I do Like "Raw Sugar" a lot but don't want the calories.

I swear I stood there for a good 15 minutes trying to remember what everyone was saying about artificial sweeteners.

I just threw the splenda in the cart and left. .

Edit: This is because I am a huge coffee whore, 1 splenda (No cream, to many calories)

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LOL...

Poor thing! I started this thread because I was having the same problem....what was good for me, what was bad, blah blah blah.

And yeah..calories. Don't need them.

Honestly I would have continued using aspertame if I wasn't having so much trouble consentrating. I know I am getting older but SHEESHHH.

And I am now on day 2 with no fake sweetners and I am really doing better. Not a LOT better, but the difference is noticable.

If you are not having brain fog trouble or weird unexplained symptoms, don't stress out about it. I think the reactions to these sweetners are very individual. And no, I don't think the makers of these chemicals are trying to turn us in to mutants or anything. They want their product to be good so everyone buys it. Law suits and dead customers are VERY bad for business.

But Splenda + Autism = ????

Now...on to solving my Koolaid issue....grrrrr

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I don't freak about the calories, because fuckit I NEED THEM.

But I do LOVE Diet Dr. Pepper.

I do have a problem with giving Splenda to my neice (she is HFA like me) since it makes her freakout and moody as fuck. But I don't think it does this to the populous at large.

So do whatever is good for you.

I eat what I like, drink what I like, smoke like a freight train and fuck.

Because I'm gonna die someday, so I might as well enjoy EVERYTHING.

hee hee hee....

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Wifezilla said: And I am now on day 2 with no fake sweetners and I am really doing better. Not a LOT better, but the difference is noticable.

=====

So, in what ways are you feeling better? Concentration and brain fog? I seem to have terminal brain fog, but I had it when I wasn't drinking diet stuff. hmm.

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Yeah..the brain fog seems to be clearing. And honestly it could be a coincidence. But I am not complaining. I have been considering switching to stevia for a long time...my recent brain fog issues just moved it up on the priority list.

Now, if you were foggy to begin with...LOL...don't think stevia is going to help ;)

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Worked great on coffee, fantastic on tea...but KOOLAID is like the anti-stevia or something...

;)

No, what's the pH?

Stevia does its trick using a glycoside ... which is held together by a chemical bond that acids generally tear apart.

What's one of the big components of Kool-Aid type drinks - Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid. Citric acid

is often pretty high too. This can probably be beaten using "Miracle fruit" (wikipedia) instead of stevia for acidic/sour drinks.

In the other direction, acids (heat makes this go faster) can break sucrose (cane sugar) back into glucose and fructose,

making a solution of it taste sweeter than otherwise.

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Ot, I was looking for a decaf type tea I could guzzle at night, already in a nice bottle or can. All I could find were green & white and all kindsa teas in containers and they all had caffeine. At night the caffeine promotes my internet addictions...wish it would be unsweetened.

I bought some powder to mix with water, instant decaf tea, but it does not taste very good at all.

I brew the decaf constant comment or whatever it's called; it's ok.

So Air M., yes you are a smart one. I was thinking the acidity of the kool-aid was what was neutralizing or jamming the sweetening effect of the stevia

Luli

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Wifezilla, how did this thread escape my watchful eye?

Sure, we have stevia over here. There was a bit of hubbub about it a year or so back...the most common place I find it is in little tubs of yogurt--if you buy big tubs, they come with packs of regular granulated sugar cut into easily-dissolved pellets. But the pre-sweetened types almost invariably list stevia as the sweeting ingredient. I'm pretty sure there is or was a stevia drink (sugar water/ersatz Gatorade type thang) out too.

I've never seen it sold on its own here. Japan is soooo funky with what they'll allow over here. Companies can trot out snake-oil hair-growth remedies that do nothing and call 'em 'medicated!' but you can't buy regular aspirin over-the-counter here. wtf, man.

lily

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I read a bunch of articles about stevia and all mentioned Japan having it commercially available. I was hoping someone would drop by with some real life info.

I continue to experiment with it, and my Kool Aid experience now has some clarity. It turns out the unflavored stevia just isn't as sweet as the flavored.

Or maybe the sweetleaf brand of plain stevia just sucks. Either way, I am liking the flavored. Next time whole foods has a 2 for 1 sale on them, I will pick up something else besides the Vanilla Creme. The stuff I already have should last me quite some time.

NOTE: A few drops of vanilla creme stevia in sparkling water (over a ton of ice) makes a rather nice diet creme soda ;)

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Woohoo! This is tying into my entire sugar issue. Maybe someone else can shed some light on some curiousities I am having.

First of all, I am "pre diabetic" and my body does the fun autistic thing of being all or nothing. There are sooo many artificial foods I cannot touch: many preservatives, every artificial sweetener I've ever tried, anything with too much filler starches....

So. I just cut all refined sugar. Nothing that says "white sugar" or "high fructose corn syrup" etc.

I am planning on trying stevia to see how I react.

But here are my curiousities (to them all... I wanna know WHY??):

One: any time I've quit sugar (I've tried before, this time though, I'm still allowing honey and fruit juice that I know aren't an issue - before I thought it was sugary stuff in general) I get very very dopamine overloaded. I have been on a dopamine high since four or five days since my last sugar intake. I always do this, and usually solve it by eating sugar, whereupon I crash and get moody.

Two: I have also not been moody. No weird mood crashes at all. Maybe the extra dopamine, maybe something else going on. I dunno.

Three: I quit craving cigarettes so often. I'm down to one a day, tops. More like one every two days. I don't wanna quit altogether. I like knowing if I want to, I can have one. I love smoking.

Four: I don't think I'm sweating as much. I work next to a bunch of ovens. I usually sweat a lot at work. I still do a little bit, but it's MUCH much less. Weird.

Anyone have any ideas as to why??

And anyone think stevia might react bizarrely too? I don't think I'll know til I try it. I use herbs instead of salt, so why not sugar (I keep a low sodium diet in general - sage and basil taste good and salty to ME!)

Abifae, who works in a bakery. Full of pastries. That she can no longer eat. Even when she ices them herself. And sells dozens a day to lucky people who can eat them. And has to suffice with the bread, which is totally within my diet. Dammit.

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