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Hiya-

As I've said, I have a rather attractive younger tdoc. I can get over that part. He is a medical professional so I can drop the shy factor.

However, how do I get up the guts to talk about "oh yeah, I can't have an orgasm with a partner, but it is easy by myself, how can I correct this?". I would turn 900 shades of purple just beginning to stutter out those words!

That is simply the problem. For years, for 10 years, I've been faking orgasms wiht my lovers to get them to be happy and not want to have sex anymore. i get bored. I do not get into it. At first I do, but then it feels like a boring chore. I'm not sure why. This is all tdoc territory, but this tdoc is used to treating little kids and is now treating adults. I don't want to put him on the spot or terrify him, but I'm also concerned that I'm going to be the one terrified!

What should I do?

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Heya Loon,

OK, I'll put on the Dr ncc hat for this one :)

Well, for me it's the guys who don't know how to ask. Mostly with them it starts with them saying:

Guy (usually in his 50s): Oh, by the way, doctor.

Me: Mmm?

Guy: (averting eyes) umm, well, I have this new girlfriend, you know, since the divorce ...

Me: (knowing *exactly* what he's trying to ask me) Mmm?

Guy: (flushing furiously) and, you know, she's only 34 ...

Me: (Cocking head and blinking eyes encouragingly) ...

Guy: Um, how would I go about, you know, getting me some of that there, ummm ...

Me: (cruelly waiting to make him SAY it) ...

Guy: (now just about melted into the floor) Vi ... Vi ... (softly) agra?

Women are generally more direct but blush just as furiously.

*Particulary* when they need to say "orgasm." "Masturbation" is another hard word to say and frankly I often say it for them (unlike "Viagra." I make the guys say "Viagra." Other words I'll say for them.).

There is *nothing* wrong with the blushing/melting/stammering/some women even have tears in their eyes b/c they've been *so* frustrated for *so* long.

Listen, this is this therapist's *job.* Approach this topic in the easiest way for *you.* I think the way you presented it to us is honest and direct. There are ways to deal with your (*so* serious and frustrating) problem and your therapist has the tools -- or can get out the Big Book of Female Sexual Dysfunction and *learn* the tools.

(These are not *necessarily* the same "tools" you can get at Good For Her.)

;)

Generally our (professionals') potential embarassment evaporates once we know the problem. Then it's easy enough to kick into "professional" mode and talk about masturbation, orgasm, emotions and sex, ... it's professional.

The probs you describe -- where the orgasm works just not with a partner -- are for sure best dealt with openly with therapy. The fact that orgasm *works* means the *connections* are all there, and mostly you need to deal with some therapy stuff like communication, resolving your anxieties/etc for which I generally refer people to ... therapists.

I've not experienced this from the patient perspective but someone here likely has better tips for you than I do.

--ncc--

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Maybe print out these posts and either send it to him ahead of time, bring it with you, or leave it with him at the end of your next visit and ask him to please read it before you see him again? Or maybe you could write something else, and not mention how cute he is! Lol!!

I had one therapist who was an asshole about reading things, but others have been o.k. with it and seem glad for the chance to see what you're really feeling and thinking and unable to start a conversation about.

I had the same problem for many years and finally seem to have gotten rid of it, at least in my last relationship which was a few years ago. I started doing what I suspect the boys do anyways - once we got down to the hands which would get me off, I quit thinking about my partner altogether and concentrated on the fantasies I think of while doing myself. It seemed to work, and my boyfriend never knew anything about it. Luckily he was a gentleman so was happy to finish last.

I don't think I could have done it earlier as I was too self-concious of what my partner was thinking and whether or not he was getting off. The trick to make it work seemed to be the concentration and pretending for the moment that the partner's actions were just like my own hands or a vibrator. This assumes the basic compentence of your partner, but most seem to be able to be taught where the right spot is. Being self-centered is sometimes a really good thing!

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Honestly, I think you should just bring it up. You're not even close to the only woman with this problem. Your tdoc is a professional, and if you don't bring your concerns up with him, then a half dozen other women will/already have.

You could always try my favorite technique; just blurt it out. Then you've said it, he's heard it, and it can be dealt with.

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When I have to bring up sex with my youngish female therapist, I just do it (and turn 900 shades of pruple, and some reds too). She knows I,m shy and considers far more inmportant that I want to talk about it than the color of my face and the level of my embarassment.

Tommy

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Loon,

I don't blame you if you don't want to discuss it with t-doc. I had a male therapist and I wouldn't go into detail about sex at all. It just didn't feel right.

Anyway, there are a lot of helpful books on the subject. Go to the SEX section of any bookstore or library and start reading.

(You should also take into consideration that your meds might be interfering with your "O".)

One last word, or rule of thumb: Don't have sex unless you really, really want to. Don't do it to please a guy if you're not gonna be into it. I've been there. That little rule of thumb can make all the difference.

Good luck, and have fun! Sex is supposed to be fun. :) - MG

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Believe me, most docs have heard some crazy stuff involving sex. I know mine has, because I tell him everything. Erm, actually not about having sex, because I hate having sex. Can't orgasm or anything either. Just gender issues and such. Somehow I find it easier to talk to a male about it than a female, not sure why...

But I agree with mad_genius. If you really don't want to talk to him about it, there are tons of books on the subject ;)

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  • 3 weeks later...

River- that is SO weird! What, is it like we all have a tough time visualizing our parents and/or grandparents "in the moment" and really don't want to be traumatized by that??? How weird!

Dr ncc- thank you for going into professional mode to kinda give me an idea of what it must be like to deal with sexual dysfunction in y our work. yeah, I can see that you already know where that conversation is going to go, but you're not going to just whip out the script pad and start writing up some Viagra for him until he talks about it first! I'd just love to see that. Dr. Ncc just hands Mr. shy a script while he's in the process of becoming purple.

I personally love hypnotism. I just love it. So I went to my hypnotist and asked her to use a script to help me let go and enjoy sex and be able to be with my partner in a mutually loving way. The script was really nice and I think it has helped somewhat, but I still have a lot of trouble, total trouble, with a partner. Now it is even worse, because nature won't even allow the juices to flow so to speak. Now I'm a candidate for really thick lubricants! I love the generic stuff because it is the thickest and actually feels the best in my opinion.

Anyway-

About managing to bring up the S word to my tdoc. I have talked to him about childhood sexual abuse. I could use that as a nice branch into my adult sex life and the various issues I come across (like not being able to even get into it whatsoever sometimes).

That's another good point- to only have sex when I'm really into it and i really want to!! too often i just do it because he wants to and i'm bored. not a total receipe for female sexual enjoyment.

loon

Maybe a change of partner(s)? Maybe I should drop them all, and just be boyfriend-less until the right guy comes along. That sounds so scary, but like a good idea, but so scary. I can't do that (quite yet)!

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However, how do I get up the guts to talk about "oh yeah, I can't have an orgasm with a partner, but it is easy by myself, how can I correct this?". I would turn 900 shades of purple just beginning to stutter out those words!

You could do a lot worse than saying the above or even just handing him a note. Whatever it takes. Maybe find the "Dictionary of Slang and Euphemism" and find some private place to read it out loud for 10 minutes every day as practice dealing with embarassing stuff. However, I'm not sure it's a medicatable problem since you seem to have normal orgasms sometimes. (Not that I'm an expert.) Might be more of a tdoc thing.

That is simply the problem. For years, for 10 years, I've been faking orgasms wiht my lovers to get them to be happy and not want to have sex anymore. i get bored. I do not get into it. At first I do, but then it feels like a boring chore. I'm not sure why. This is all tdoc territory, but this tdoc is used to treating little kids and is now treating adults. I don't want to put him on the spot or terrify him, but I'm also concerned that I'm going to be the one terrified!

What should I do?

Do you tell your boyfriends exactly what you need to get off? It really helps if you can say things like "A little to the left", "faster" or whatever. Any boyfriend worth his salt should be willing to use his hands (or, in a really committed relationship, his tongue, but then make sure there's something around to wash his beard) to give you a fun time, if that's what it takes. He should also be willing to spend a long time, if that's what it takes. Like, an hour or carpal tunnel symptoms, whichever is first. I've heard that many women just don't get off from regular intercourse. Apparently that problem is more physiological than psychological. I've only had intercourse with one woman who could get off that way, tho I suppose that could be an indictment of my technique.... Also hope you are comfortable enough with a boyfriend to mess around and try various silly things. Certainly, each of my partners has liked some different way of getting off. With my ex, it took years to find our respective favorite things. And you may find something your boyfriend likes so much he'll do almost anything to get you off. Try funny stuff in the shower, etc. Maybe some day ask to start by having him do whatever you think of (within reason) for half an hour, whether that's feeding you little chocolates, rubbing your back, or anything that makes you feel good. If you've been on your feet all day, you may find that after he rubs them you're going to feel much better about fooling around with him;. Or not, in which case it still feels good. Or, at least, so I surmise based on some pretty specific experience.. If you have trouble coming up with stuff, ask around, but don't make it an official agenda as you may find something else even better while you're at it. There's nothing dignified about sex.

In any case, be sure to ask for what you want. I know that's not easy, but you do want to be happy, don't you? I can tell you that it's much more fun to be with someone who asks for what they want directly. And says things like "that's very good" when I get it right.

I suspect that faking orgasms is putting distance between you and your boyfriends. And I wonder if they don't know, at least on some level, that something's wrong.

Hope this is helpful and that you are not turning purple just reading it. Once again I'm thankful that I had a tdoc early on who helped me be less embarassed about this stuff.

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i have trouble talking to my therapist about this kind of embarrassing stuff, and worse. he's a middle aged man and i'm a young woman. it's just so embarrassing. sorry i can't be more helpful but i completely empathise with the situation you're in.

mel xx

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Any boyfriend worth his salt should be willing to use his hands (or, in a really committed relationship, his tongue, but then make sure there's something around to wash his beard) to give you a fun time, if that's what it takes.

Why the distinction of a really committed relationship for the oral sex, ldo? Does the inverse apply? Like no oral sex for you either unless it's a really committed relationship? Just wondering.

Do guys dislike giving oral sex in general? They sure like receiving it.

Libby the Wonderer

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Well, with chocolate, probably 99% like it, and 1% don't.

When I was a str8 girl, oral sex was required if they wanted to get any further. It's really lame if a guy doesn't want to do that, imo. Especially since guys expect that women will give oral sex to them. And because plain intercourse doesn't do "it" for a lot of women.

Thinkin' I'm glad I'm gay. ;)

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Any boyfriend worth his salt should be willing to use his hands (or, in a really committed relationship, his tongue, but then make sure there's something around to wash his beard) to give you a fun time, if that's what it takes.

Why the distinction of a really committed relationship for the oral sex, ldo? Does the inverse apply? Like no oral sex for you either unless it's a really committed relationship? Just wondering.

Do guys dislike giving oral sex in general? They sure like receiving it.

Libby the Wonderer

STD's, I'm afraid. They really mess things up, don't they? Inverse applies, of course. I'm just way skeptical of those tricks with dental dams and Saran wrap, tho I haven't tried them. I wonder what 100 years of no STD's and really good birth control would do to people's attitudes about sex. Not saying I've always observed this stuff properly, but so far have gotten away with it.

Well, there's the occasional not breathing thing when things get exciting. Then there's the variable and not always pleasant taste. And I'm sure some guys are squeamish. On the other hand, there's no gagging. (Yes, I've done both.) As to the general attitude of guys, I haven't taken a poll and suspect it depends which group of guys you ask. And you'd better make it a genderless paper poll, because the identity and appearance of the questioner will skew the answer. Personally, I like it at times.

P.S. Shortly after going down on female for first time, was given peach cookie thing which was all slippery and had very similar texture. I think I must have turned beet red.

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Any boyfriend worth his salt should be willing to use his hands (or, in a really committed relationship, his tongue, but then make sure there's something around to wash his beard) to give you a fun time, if that's what it takes.

Do guys dislike giving oral sex in general? They sure like receiving it.

Libby the Wonderer

I've often wondered about this myself. I've been with my husband for about 25 years, so I'm really out of the loop. Personally, I couldn't be with a man (or woman) who didn't use his or her mouth. I'm very spoiled.

dianebea

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As far as talking about sex with your therapist, it can be hard. I've known mine a long time, and I trust him absolutely and implicitly, but it can still be a hard topic. I think some of it is that in my background (yes, American) we didn't talk too much about sex. I don't remember specifically learning about it, aside from school (Catholic school, the learning was a bit biased), but I know I could always ask my mom various questions. That's still not the same as discussing the matter.

I can think of two ways, one is to write it down and then give it to your therapist to read. The other is to talk about it, but with your eyes closed or looking at something (anything!) else in the room. I've various used all of these -- sometimes all at once. As hard as it is, try to stay relaxed. Your therapist wants to help you with this.

As for making your therapist uncomfortable -- that's not your job to worry about. That's his problem. You are there to deal with your issues, not his. He should be professional enough to deal with whatever you bring out, and to remain focused on you.

It sounds like you need to talk about this to heal. So talk, if you trust your therapist enough to talk about things, you can trust him enough to tell you when he's out of his depth as well.

Fiona

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talking about sex with my therapist would involve a diagram to keep track of the different boyfriends. #1 won't do anything i ask for and think he's the end-all and be-all, so i obviously enjoy it, and #2 is willing but just not talented, and #3 has actually shown me things about my body that I never knew before, and I've shown him what I like and he's a good student.

i really want to be able to have better sex with boyfriend #1, so i guess i don't even need to confuse him with the other 2. we can just talk about the one i've been with for 4 years. sex can only stay the same way for 4 years before it sucks. it sucks.

should i just tell my therapist that my sex life sucks, and that my boyfriend thinks he knows everything about my body and he has no idea, and how can i get him to actually learn?

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on second thought, my issues with talking to my tdoc about sex go deeper than actual sex. sure, i want to be able to have actual orgasms with my lovers. but why do i need multiple lovers? and why do i feel like i must do things i don't want to do? and why am i content with what isn't right for me? those are questions that have come up recently, in my head and in other threads, that really are things my poor tdoc needs to hear. when i finally do talk to him about sex, i'm going to have to have it organized in an outline so we can discuss it and not get lost, and devote at least an entire session to at least covering the basics. sschew. long discussion. and i know i'll be 1,000 shades of purple, which is why i discuss it with you guys and not with him. i discuss childhood trauma with him but not how i feel like i have to have sex with my boyfriends, even if i don't feel like it or even if i have issues or it makes me feel x, y, or z. and giving oral sex all the time. for the first time in my life (i think for the first time), i actually said no to an oral sex request the other day. slow but steady progress. i know my tdoc can help, i just need to stop being a ninny and say something.

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(i think for the first time), i actually said no to an oral sex request the other day. slow but steady progress.
Right on! You don't exist to "service" your boyfriends. I assume that they have a right hand that works just fine.

Your latest thoughts about talking to your therapist are right on.

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Loon, your experiences and feelings about them are very similar to mine. When I was in college, I was pretty promiscuous. I thought that just because someone wanted to have sex with me, I needed to comply---not necessarily because I wanted to, but because I figured, what the hell? It'll feel good and nobody will get hurt!

Now, I'm 45 years old and those issues are still haunting me. I, too, really need to talk to my pdoc about it. I've brought up the subject, but have not gone into it in depth.

dianebea

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HA! Libby, that's great! If I get any flack, which I don't know if I will, I can always come back with that. "Well, I"m assuming that your right hand works just fine!" LOL

I have a tdoc appointment on Friday. I think it is time to write that outline (has the potential to be long, but maybe not) of all the things we need to touch on at least, and maybe go into more detail on at some point. my poor tdoc, he gets hammered with childhood garbage, my current love life trials and tribulations, and all this garbage. i need to find out when his birthday is so he can get a card or something ;)

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  • 4 months later...

For what it's worth, one of the reasons I fired my male tdoc was because he wanted to talk about my non sex life- like why have I been married for 26 yrs and my hb doesn't show any interest, and I believe I'm too fat and not attractive or desireable. Neither of us make a move. It makes me sad, and I miss it.

My tdoc at the time wanted to pursue the issue and he kind of gave me the creeps anyway with his insistence on CBT, and other things. He was interested in my previous promiscuity, I thought, like a voyeur. Truth is, I'm too shy to talk to ANYONE about this. My current tdoc, a woman, hasn't broached the subject, but I fear that when she does, she'll hound me too.

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now my regular tdoc has been back from maturnity leave, so i'm back with her and not the guy i thought was cute. my current tdoc isn't cute.

i talk about my current life with her, but not about my past life.

there isn't any sex to talk about, so it isn't like i'm going to embarrass her or something. but if i was having sex, i don't think i could talk about it with her. i could say something like "we had sex between watching episodes of 'when sharks attack'), but that would be about as far as our sex conversation could go.

i'm sure that trained therapists are past the point of shock when it comes to discussing sex and are probably more open about it than we are. i'm surprised at myself- i'm not a prude person at all, and i discuss sex freely with everyone else. i don't know why i have this thing against discussing it with my tdoc.

i'm a weirdo, but we all already knew that. :);)

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i want people to take their fights elsewhere and out of my thread. threads have been closed because of your fighting, and it needs to stop. if you want to claw at each other, then please do it in pm or something, not in my thread.

loon

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'm sure that trained therapists are past the point of shock when it comes to discussing sex and are probably more open about it than we are.
Yep, that's true. I used to get embarrassed about it, but with practice, I got to where I could discuss it with tdoc without cringing.
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cringing....

yeah, here- if you want, and they do recommend it - they'll bring in 2 therapists, a man and a woman to talk about this with your partner. I couldn't do that any more than discussing it with my female tdoc.

I think they'd ask us to go do exercises or something.

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  • 3 months later...

Finally had a sexual issue I almost wasn't able to talk to t-doc about. My wife thinks that a man is too submissive if he gives oral sex. She thinks I am totally worthless because I actually like it "too much". My t-doc and I tried for 10 minutes to talk about this without being specific, but it just didn't work. I finally said to her, "It looks like I'm going to have to tell you no matter how red I get." and proceeded to do so. She handled it really well and didn't make me turn even redder.

Tommy

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"too submissive" about giving oral sex? with my partner, i say bring it on baby! ;)

i'm finally talking in very vague terms with my tdoc (who is back from maturnity), but still can't really go there. i just talk about if it is satisfactory or if i need to take more initiative or if we need more spice or something. i really could never get up the guts, red or redder, to talk about my oral sex life with my tdoc! :) (loon is red).

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My wife and I made love last night for the first time in a year and she actually asked me to be "too submissive" even thoguh she had led me to believe she didn't want no more of that oral sex stuff. Now I'mm even more confused.

By the way, when I spoke to my tdoc, I still stayed pretty general. if not vague, simply saying "performing oral sex on her" rather than anything more colorful. And tdoc was nice enough not to make me repeat it after repeating what I said in a tone of disbelief. I guess she thought I was red enough already.

Tommy

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should i just tell my therapist that my sex life sucks, and that my boyfriend thinks he knows everything about my body and he has no idea, and how can i get him to actually learn?

Yep. LOL

Actually, I think that's a perfect way to say it, verbatim. No embarrassing stuttering to get out the word orgasm, it's inferred, it clarifies the problem (although some might be more comfortable with the word climax, or "the big O" until more comfortable). It's a perfect segue, without being a difficult one in content or language, and if your t-doc is worth his salt at all, he'll guide you from there at your pace. If he were to ask you if you had orgasms, then he's already said it, broken the ice, and that takes the pressure and wondering what to do off of you.

My problem is the opposite. I'm embarrassed to tell my doc that how long it's been since I haven't even had to worry about it. I haven't been laid in so long, they're thinking of doing a "Digging For The Truth" show on it.

As a bit of an aside, perhaps some toys with your preferred boyfriend might be something to think about? I'm a beleiver in those things.

And for those concerned about odor, etc., there are those fruit-flavored lubricants, some of them that warm up.

As sone have said, there are some great books out there, some of them geared towards women, some of them geared towards couples, with lots of ideas on how to work together so you are both happy.

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