lilie Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/29/inmate.t...o.ap/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croix Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Fantastic!!! I love it! Croix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaRufina Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Reading that gave me a really really wrong feeling inside. There are so many wrong things in that whole story/group of stories. I don't know if I am really capable of commenting on the situation [of the forced tattoo] itself, as the situation as a whole is knot of fuck-up-edness. Maybe that is a fucked up point of view. I don't even know. I really really don't. Things are really messed up. But, oh my god. Why was anyone surprised that a photo got leaked? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olga Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 The guy may be a monster, but in this society we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Under our judicial system, it is against the law to subject people to "cruel and unusual punishment." It is tempting to fall in with a group of vigilantes, but I still believe in our constitutional rights under the laws of this country. And it's wrong to allow this kind of thing to happen. It's bad enough that Bush and his posse are ignoring our laws. Do we just throw out the Bill of Rights and forget that it's part of our law and tradition? olga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilie Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 I'm sorry I offended you Luna. It was just that when I read it I felt some sense that the child had been remembered and fought for because so many sex offenders are repeat offenders (as are the serial murderers that can't be caught) jail has a weird hierarchy and pedophiles are down with the untouchables. Though it seems heinous the tattoo I mean at least it wasn't like John Geoghan. He was a priest that over a 30 year period is reputed to have molested at minimum 130 people. Though treated by p and t docs he couldn't cover his urges and his parishes protected him and moved him until he was caught, tried, and convicted. The Boston archdiocese paid out 10 million for some of the abusees and are still negotiating for others even to this day. Oddly enough (or maybe by design) John was placed in a cell with a homophobic white supremacist named Joe Druce that was in jail for life for killing a guy that had tried to pick up on him. other posssible reasons were given as to why he might have killed him. He stomped and strangled John to death. Joe just stayed in for life without possibility of parole. But John was gone. In light of these kinds of things a tattoo on the forehead seems appropriate and telling while not as harmful and hardcore as a prison scene can get. sorry... lilie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaRufina Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I'm sorry I offended you Luna. No no no no. First- no you didn't offend me. Second- If you had? My issue. It's a news story and one that should probably be discussed. Which is why I responded. It can get messy when you come to specific "justice" issues, if that is in fact what one sees here. Like, what does that actually mean? Who says? [for example] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilie Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 oh okay I'm glad I didn't offend you. As far as justice is concerned I meant two things-the first that a judge and jury found him guilty and made him pay for his crime. The second that it's well known -well maybe not to some people-that prisoners have their own world in prison-they dispense what they feel is "their" type of justice. Sometimes the punishers include guards. It is not nice it is not pretty but neither is landing onesself in prison for raping and murdering a small child. The officials removed him from the general population later to protect him. A tattoo is absolutely nothing compared to what could have happened. Is it wrong because he's already serving his time? maybe. But he was whisked away to safety after the incident and will protected from here on out. The guards were fired for releasing the pics so justice was served there. As it stands he survived a scary minor abuse situation, was quickly protected, the offenders fired, and he's still alive. A lot was done for him. But nothing ever else can be done for his victim. and WZ not to aggravate you but you said: but in this society we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Under our judicial system, it is against the law to subject people to "cruel and unusual punishment." what about the victim? when the killer wipes his ass on the constitution and bill of rights when he disrespects the life of another human being by heedlessly taking it what about the victim? where are her rights when she is subject to cruel and unusual punishment? a raped and murdered 10 year old? yeah thats cruel and unusual to me. lilie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 We don't know that the tattoo was all that happened to him. It probably wasn't. I'm not sure that being held down against one's will to have your face disfigured is a minor abuse situation. Raping and killing children is never, ever, ever okay. It is a hideous, despicable, horrible thing. But justice does not necessarily mean doing to people in kind. The fact that some horrible situations happen doesn't mean that it's necessarily desirable to create more horrible situations in response. Sometimes justice means working to make the same crime less likely to happen. Sometimes it means doing whatever is possible to help the survivors recover to the extent able. Sometimes it means raising awareness. Sometimes it means getting laws changed, for example if we feel that the man's sentence was not sufficient for his crime. There are a lot of ways to make this situation better that don't include vigilante assault. (Which is, I would note, a one-time thing - whereas education, agitating for legal change, and programs to help survivors recover have much broader effects.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croix Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 No offense at all, but... Broader effects my ass. All the education and awareness and stiffer prison terms in the world aren't going to make sick people stop molesting and raping kids. I'm just hoping that while they were tattooing this guy, someone else was raping him up the ass at the same time. Hey, the guy's still alive which is more than you can say about his young victim. The legal system does a shitty job of protecting the public from these sickos. They don't even TRY to rehabilitate them in prison. They just lock em away for a little while then let them out. (Not that I believe that these predators can be rehabilitated, because I don't). I think they all deserve to die a horrible, miserable, agonizing death. Preferably doled out by the victims' families. Croix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I'm not talking about education and awareness for child molesters. I'm talking about education and awareness for parents and children and friends as to what indicates a problem (especially in cases where the kid is too intimidated to be honest), how not to kid yourself into thinking a problem doesn't exist because you don't want it to be true, and what avenues are available for dealing with a problem. These are things that help catch and prevent molestation and abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croix Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Oh I know exactly what you were talking about. That's what I was addressing. We've had many years of education and awareness and the molesting keeps happening. By the time you've indicated a problem, it's too late, someone has been hurt. There will always be sickos who prey on children for their own perverse gratification. It only takes a minute, mere seconds to be touched inappropriately. There is no way of stopping these men if they are interested in hurting children. Other than mandatory life w/o parole upon the very first conviction, or ending their lives. I vote for the latter. Croix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libby Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think the forehead tattoos ought to be mandatory. Maybe then they'd stop molesting because they'd not have any unsuspecting victims. Either that or castration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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