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Just how am I meant to enjoy the Brian Jonestown Massacre gig I have booked for the 11 July when this wretched nannying self-righteous fascist excuse for a law comes into place on the 1st July? Snuff?

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As a non smoker there is no way of ensuring that I don't breathe in the toxic fumes of your cigarette if I was at the same gig, therefore I am pleased you will not be able to. You can go out and smoke outside if you're desperate.

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I'm going to have to go with Karuna on this one. Tobacco smoke really irritates me (sometimes my eyes sting and my throat gets scratchy just when someone who's recently been smoking but isn't right at that moment enters the room and is near me), and since the ban went in place here, I can actually go to bars and whatnot without being uncomfortable the whole time.

It would be nice if it hadn't taken a law for that to happen, but there was approximately zero movement on the part of any establishments to do anything like that on their own, which kind of sucked for people who don't smoke (the majority), and would rather not be affected by other people doing it. It's not like there were smoking and non-smoking places to choose from, because they were all afraid to lose business, so almost no places did it before, and we couldn't exactly vote with our dollars, since there was no choice in the first place. Incidentally, they haven't particularly gained or lost any business since it went into affect a while ago, last I heard.

What it comes down to is that I can go out places here and have a good time now, while in the next state over where my girlfriend lives and where they haven't passed such a law, I can't go to places like that without feeling sick half the time, which is not particularly fun, in my opinion. I get the impression that enough people have the same opinion, because there was more support for the law here than opposition to it.

(Just for the record, while I may have a particularly strong dislike for tobacco smoke, I'm all in favor of letting people do whatever they want if it doesn't affect me or is easily avoidable, and also all in favor of bitching people out who don't respect that and do things like that anyway. In theory, I'd rather that it hadn't come down to needing a law passed to accomplish what it did, but in practice, hell yeah. I look forward to the day when it's not socially acceptable to be unavoidably obnoxious (for the aforementioned definition of obnoxious) in public, but I don't see it happening any time soon.)

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There was a smoking ban in Colorado passed last year. It only passed because it exempted casinos and cigar bars. Well guess what? This year they are going to ban smoking in casinos too UNLESS your casino sells more than $50,000 worth of tobacco products. ;)

My personal opinion is, as a business owner, you should be able to decide if you allow smoking or not in your establishment. You then post a big sign on the door letting everyone know what your policy is and let the individuals decide whether or not to come in.

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My personal opinion is, as a business owner, you should be able to decide if you allow smoking or not in your establishment. You then post a big sign on the door letting everyone know what your policy is and let the individuals decide whether or not to come in.

That's also what I would prefer, except that it pretty much failed completely to work when they did have the option to do that. Most of them got pretty irritable when the possibility of the law was brought up, despite the majority of their customers being non-smokers and many of them in favor of being able to go to non-smoking places (whether voluntarily or legally enforced). I have a feeling the only other way to have changed it would've been if lots of people had stopped going to places that allowed smoking, but it's very hard to get most people to boycott something when they actually want to be there except for that one issue and don't have anywhere else to go, especially enough people to make enough of a difference that they'd notice/care.

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I love smoke.

When we have been to England, and Ireland, and France, I loved being able to smoke in the bars and restaurants.

Hey, I'm old enough to have smoked in my college classrooms, in hospitals, and in doctors' offices.

sigh. I miss it.

But I understand that it's toxic and makes other people sick and all that. I'm going to hold off until I'm 75 or so and then start smoking again. Even if the only place I can smoke legally will be in my own house.

It's a healthier world, but I sure do miss all that risk-taking.

olga

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ok, ok.. so certain establishments have been enforcing a non-smoking policy ahead of the ban.. and I am starting to come round. I smoke less in them and don't feel so bad in the morning, and non-smokers seem happy. I guess there is a small proportion of people who have very bad reactions to cig smoke. Still, I wish it was up to the individual establishment and I assert my human right, if such a thing ever exists (?) to smoke. I accept I have subjected people to passive smoking but I have read many cogent articles that argue there is little evidence of passive smoking damaging other people in the long term. I can dig up one particular one that cites many scientific studies from the bookmarks in the other computer here if anyone is interested. Certainly no more than car exhaust fumes or driving in general. OK, I guess some people find the smell obnoxious. We'll have to agree to disagree there.. I've loved the smell since I was a kid. It is an intersting question and I take back my extreme views at the start, but still say the government has better things to focus on. Damn, I love smoking, and I accept that it is the most likely thing to kill me. At least it is my choice to smoke, altho I am of course addicted.

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So the voluntary posting of smoking policies and letting individuals decide failed because people are too PUSSY to stick by their convictions? SAY IT AINT SO!

(Did the sarcasm come through? I wasn't sure ;) )

I have no sympathy for people who wont stand by their beliefs.

It's like this girl I used to work with. Anytime pot came up in a conversation, she would say how users should get life in prison and dealers should get the death penalty. Then I went to her house with her one day. Guess what was on the coffee table? A bong, a lighter, a cleaning tray, some screens and this yummy looking bag of dope. She flushed red, got all embarrassed and said it was her husband's. She had been trying to get him to quit. She hated that he smoked and his smoking was a big source of arguments in her marriage (even though he smoked dope BEFORE they were married. Can we all say DUH! now?).

But she didn't turn him. She didn't turn in his dealer. She didn't leave him despite her convictions. Nope, bitch about pot, supported stronger drug laws, and whined about potheads all the time. She just wanted the gooberment to make her husband be a good boy so she didn't have to actually make a stand.

Same thing with smoking.

I used to smoke, but haven't in about 20 years. It wasn't the cigarette's fault I started smoking. It wasn't the government that made me quit. It was all on me. And I own a business. If I had a choice, I would say "No smoking please", but the gooberment saved me the trouble of printing out that 7

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Lost, I'd be interested to see a reputable source saying that cigarette smoke was less lethal than car exhaust fumes at the level we inhale them.

If people want to kill themselves with cigarettes, feel free. I do resent having to pay for their healthcare, but it's a part of having an NHS so I'll go with it. But don't expect me to suffer from passive smoking damage and/or death.

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I never used to care about others smoking. As long as they didn't blow it in my face, it was fine. Hell as a kid I was regularly bought candy cigarettes at the grocery store, and both I and my brother had canes and miniature working pipes just like grandads!

But sometime in my early 30's I developed asthma and severe allergies. The work place smoking bans came in about the same time and were a godsend. I didn't know how bad smoke made me feel until it was gone. I used to poo poo as hysterical extremists the people who claimed that smoke from someone across the restaurant could make them sick, until it happened to me.

Thing is, for those with asthma, it isn't just a minor irritation. The smoke sets up an initial constriction of the airways and throat that causes coughing. But it also starts inflamation of the lungs that causes them to swell and fill with mucous that you can't cough out because of the constriction. Even worse is that the inflammation is typically worse 24 hours later. Just walking out to the car, or up a flight of stairs leaves you breathless with a burning in your chest.

Things have changed that make this an important issue for more people. When I was a kid 40 years ago, the incidence of asthma was about 1%- 2%. I can only recall 2 or three kids out of 12 years of school that had it! Now, the incidence is over 10% for children and rising. Also the death toll for asthma has risen over the last 20 years despite vastly improved medications. In the 80's about 3,000 a year died from asthma. By the early 2000's, the level was over 5,000 deaths a year.

All in all it's probably time to restrict smoking. Especially given the tobacco companies intentional actions to hook people. I also think it is time to regulate tobacco by making them specifically list all the additives. Once people see what they have been ingesting they will be very angry and probably quit.

a.m

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i quit smoking several years ago. i've turned into the person i hated when i was a smoker. i can't STAND to be near the smell of smoke. it is GOD AWFUL. I don't care whether or not it is harmful as second hand smoke. It has become downright disgusting to me. Frankly, taking a large dump beside me would probably nauseate me less.

what smokers fail to understand ... at least i for one did not ... is just how damned intrusive that horrible smell is. you stink. yes, you personally. your body, your hair, your clothes, your car, your home. i smell you when you walk by. i gag when you smoke two houses away in your back yard, or in your car ahead of me in traffic. I have to hold my breath and run past you when you are smoking outside of the store. the elevator still reeks long after you've left it.

no one has the right to make me that miserable that often. whatever you do is your own business, and i will stand beside you and argue for your right to do as you please as long as it doesn't interfere with me and my life. smoking interferes with my life and my enjoyment of it. and that's not fair to me. *I* have a right to sit in my own back yard, or drive my car to work, or simply walk down a street without having that stench surround me.

kudos to GB. wish the US was right behind them.

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I love smoking moreso than drinking sometimes BUT sometimes I am glad for the smoking ban yet I think they should have made it 'no smoking before 8pm in pubs and bars' As people start getting drunk and really don't care much for smoke. ;)

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Where I live there has been a "no smoking in public places" law for several years now.

Personally I think the world would be a better place if smoking was banned altogether, if all tobacco companies had to close down, and smoking became illegal. Is never going to happen of course.

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In Oregon, it's done by city. Eugene has a smoking law and Portland (mostly) does not. I smoke, so I really could care less if people smoke inside or not... but I don't think it's a big deal if you have to go out to a back patio or wherever. I may prefer it... I don't smoke (cigarettes) in my apartment and I never will- I do prefer to smoke outside, I guess.

However, Portland recently outlawed smoking in this open-air train station/ampitheater/park/whatever thing (they call it "Portland's living room") which is just plain stupid. It's a city block outside. Basically, if I step off the curb, smoking is legal. And it sucks, because Pioneer Courthouse Square used to be a kind of cool, vibrant place, full of homeless people and buskers and high school kids cutting school and people waiting for the train and business people on their lunches and whatever... and now it's a lot more colorless and boring.

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Fine. Take away my right to smoke gawddamn anywhere anymore, but I tell ya what, if you do that then you better damn well get rid of all that nasty ass fucking PERFUME bullshit.

I can't fuckin' breathe around that shit.

Yeah, now listen to the little quaint ladies and gentlemens bitch.

"OH NOES! But then we's would be the STINKY!"

FUCK YOU! YA STINKY PERFUMEY BASTARDS!

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you better damn well get rid of all that nasty ass fucking PERFUME bullshit.

I can't fuckin' breathe around that shit.

I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I fully support this plan. Death to irritating smells!

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i think there should be a ban on BO too, but that's just me ;)

here in ohio there is a smoking ban. you're not allowed to smoke in any establishment, or in front of an entrance, but people tend to flock to the back door and smoke anyway. i don't care if they smoke there, but it is illegal.

it is illegal in bars, restaurants, the whole bit.

i'm for it. i don't want to smell smoke while i'm out. as a former hospitality worker, i didn't want to be subjected to smoke while at work. i had to quit one of my college jobs because of asthma attacks brought about by smoke. yuck.

i voted for the smoking ban. all my smoker friends stayed home from the polls, so it is their fault the smoking ban passed. it wasn't expected to pass, and everyone was shocked that it did, but it really kicked butt at the polls.

but yes, bring on the BO ban.

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I'm not a fan of body odor myself, BUT I'd rather smell a rotten crotch than choke because my throat is closing off because of some chemical in someones PERFUME.

Yes, actually there are many perfumes out there that cause this reaction. I don't know what the chemical is but I wish I did. I don't even have to be able to SMELL IT before the reaction starts people.

And it's not just in perfume, it's in air fresheners, detergents AND fabric softeners.

And it makes my life a living hell.

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