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I'm sick of being on these pills. Although, they make me feel better and keep me off the streets. I've been off heroin and cocain for 8 damn months. Although, I'm still getting dopesick when I run out of my Subs. They are very expensive and most people on them, have no insurance. I'm freaking out because, my current script is almost gone, five days left. I highly doubt my DR is gonna scribe me till the end of the month. I have no idea what to do. Almost everyone I know (mother, GF, sis and her BF) is addicted to opiates and is asking me for pills. They put me on guilt trips. I'm very weak. So I give them up. Then look where I'm at. Nowhere. Can't seem to find anyone to hook me up with anything when I'm out. BASTARDS! lol

I would love to hear anyone else's experiences with Suboxone or subutex.

I will eventually, someday when I'm ready, ween myself off these Subs.

MC

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Subutex and Suboxone

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1. What are Suboxone and Subutex?

Subutex and Suboxone are medications approved for the treatment of opiate dependence. Both medicines contain the active ingredient, buprenorphine hydrochloride, which works to reduce the symptoms of opiate dependence.

2. Why did the FDA approve two medications?

Subutex contains only buprenorphine hydrochloride. This formulation was developed as the initial product. The second medication, Suboxone contains an additional ingredient called naloxone to guard against misuse.

Subutex is given during the first few days of treatment, while Suboxone is used during the maintenance phase of treatment.

3. Will most prescriptions be for the Suboxone formulation?

Yes, Suboxone is the formulation used in the majority of patients.

4. How are Subutex and Suboxone different from the current treatment options for opiate dependence such as methadone?

Currently opiate dependence treatments like methadone can be dispensed only in a limited number of clinics that specialize in addiction treatment. There are not enough addiction treatment centers to help all patients seeking treatment. Subutex and Suboxone are the first narcotic drugs available under the Drug Abuse Treatment Act (DATA) of 2000 for the treatment of opiate dependence that can be prescribed in a doctor

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My husband is an ex-heroin addict and has been on suboxone for approx 2.5 years now. Unfortunately we're separated so I can't ask him to speak to you directly, but it seems to have worked pretty well for him. The price IS crippling. He got them on welfare when we were living in the States, but medical insurance companies in my own country weren't prepared to see it as anything other than a short term withdrawal drug to be used in rehab. I got into ruinous debt trying to keep him on the drug.

PS I'm pretty sure that you know this already, but I'm going to say it anyway, and I'm going to be very blunt:

It really is NOT SMART to be handing around a med of this kind to other people. If they're nagging you for it then they have their own addiction issues and should get themselves sorted out. What is the point of your being on suboxone if you wind up with none before the end of the month and have to get dopesick again and again? And then on top of that have your addict brain start contemplating how you can go out and score again?

I don't care how persuasive they are or how generous you're feeling. DONT DO IT. Your health comes first.

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PS I'm pretty sure that you know this already, but I'm going to say it anyway, and I'm going to be very blunt:

It really is NOT SMART to be handing around a med of this kind to other people. If they're nagging you for it then they have their own addiction issues and should get themselves sorted out. What is the point of your being on suboxone if you wind up with none before the end of the month and have to get dopesick again and again? And then on top of that have your addict brain start contemplating how you can go out and score again?

I don't care how persuasive they are or how generous you're feeling. DONT DO IT. Your health comes first.

Well said miab. And not only is it a bad idea to give your pills to your friends/family, it's also a federal offense.

If we sound harsh, it's because most of us here really do try to play by the rules when it comes to meds. I'm sure some folks here can relate to your situation, but you went through all of that detox crap to get cleaned up, and shorting yourself with this med is no fun come the end of the month. Be tough if you have to, but you need to focus on yourself here.

I myself take Subox off-label, meaning my pdoc prescribes it for my Bipolar Disorder. It works better than just about everything I've tried. The biggest thing for me is how it keeps me from going up and down constantly. It pretty much has given me the will to live with this fucked up disorder.

Take care MC, and welcome to CrazyBoards.

Oh, and feel free to drop me a PM if I can answer more specific questions.

Martin

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PS I'm pretty sure that you know this already, but I'm going to say it anyway, and I'm going to be very blunt:

It really is NOT SMART to be handing around a med of this kind to other people. If they're nagging you for it then they have their own addiction issues and should get themselves sorted out. What is the point of your being on suboxone if you wind up with none before the end of the month and have to get dopesick again and again? And then on top of that have your addict brain start contemplating how you can go out and score again?

I don't care how persuasive they are or how generous you're feeling. DONT DO IT. Your health comes first.

Well said miab. And not only is it a bad idea to give your pills to your friends/family, it's also a federal offense.

If we sound harsh, it's because most of us here really do try to play by the rules when it comes to meds. I'm sure some folks here can relate to your situation, but you went through all of that detox crap to get cleaned up, and shorting yourself with this med is no fun come the end of the month. Be tough if you have to, but you need to focus on yourself here.

I myself take Subox off-label, meaning my pdoc prescribes it for my Bipolar Disorder. It works better than just about everything I've tried. The biggest thing for me is how it keeps me from going up and down constantly. It pretty much has given me the will to live with this fucked up disorder.

Take care MC, and welcome to CrazyBoards.

Oh, and feel free to drop me a PM if I can answer more specific questions.

Martin

OMG, it has totally helped me with my MI. I realise without that slight euphoria everyday, I tend to get very depressed and full of anxiety. I'm out of these right now, waiting for my pdoc to call me this morning. I should be fine soon. although, they are so expensive, I have no idea how to get them from the pharm. I've burned up all my resources like, churches, etc. So, I just gotta wait and see what happens. I know some people owe me a bit of cash so, at least I'll be able to get a few. That is, if my pdoc scibes me. He should. I switched pdocs since I started this thread. So, it isn't the same guy.

Ty for responding.

MC

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can a pdoc prescribe this?

yes. In fact they're the only doctors I've known to prescribe it.

thanks, miab

I wanted to ask my gp about it this morning but chickened out - last time I tried to talk to him about my addiction problem he sent me (with an escort) to the hospital & told them I was suicidal.

I see my pdoc tomorrow morning & will try to talk to her about it - but I haven't said anything to her about it before. I am really afraid if I say anything she will take away my ativan which right now I take 3x/day.

I'm thinking that this maybe triggering my depression so bad right now because I haven't had any oxy for over a month & she changed my meds last time & just everything - ok, I'm going to my blog.

Any suggestions would help tho

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can a pdoc prescribe this?

yes. In fact they're the only doctors I've known to prescribe it.

thanks, miab

I wanted to ask my gp about it this morning but chickened out - last time I tried to talk to him about my addiction problem he sent me (with an escort) to the hospital & told them I was suicidal.

I see my pdoc tomorrow morning & will try to talk to her about it - but I haven't said anything to her about it before. I am really afraid if I say anything she will take away my ativan which right now I take 3x/day.

I'm thinking that this maybe triggering my depression so bad right now because I haven't had any oxy for over a month & she changed my meds last time & just everything - ok, I'm going to my blog.

Any suggestions would help tho

I was in rehab in March and had some interesting experiences with Suboxone, it did't do jack shit for me!!! I think that a lot of that was caused by the doctors, in their infinite wisdom, took me off all of my Ativan, without tapering at all. But you know, if you're addicted to anything, you're addicted to everything!!!

I found a pdoc who is quite reasonable and got my Klonopin back, yippee!!! Now if I can only use it responsibly!!!

M

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i sometimes think that we addicts are infantile. we want to feel better immediately. we are poorly equipped to defer gratification to the future or even think of how to go about that sort of accomplishment. for what ever reason, we are a mess psychologically.

it is now pushing three years of self contol for me. was easy this time around-another dui would be prison. easy also in that i am 61 and retired to a small isolated town. couldn't imagine that scoring smack would be possible.

gotta trust someone in this life and for me it's the p-docs now. you that are in the thick of the struggle with your self control have my empathy. that buph is way easy to abuse and too easy to get.

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thanks for your input, mshell

I don't really have any problems in using the ativan or klonopin the right way

just pain meds

my pdoc gives me both ativan & ambien which I had told her I tried to OD on

she doesn't believe in this crap about just cause you did it once don't mean you'll do it again

like my last pdoc

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thanks for your input, mshell

I don't really have any problems in using the ativan or klonopin the right way

just pain meds

my pdoc gives me both ativan & ambien which I had told her I tried to OD on

she doesn't believe in this crap about just cause you did it once don't mean you'll do it again

like my last pdoc

Oh, I guess I didn't mention the pain meds too, but I've been off them since March, only because I got an "intervention" good god!!

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i sometimes think that we addicts are infantile. we want to feel better immediately. we are poorly equipped to defer gratification to the future or even think of how to go about that sort of accomplishment. for what ever reason, we are a mess psychologically.

it is now pushing three years of self contol for me. was easy this time around-another dui would be prison. easy also in that i am 61 and retired to a small isolated town. couldn't imagine that scoring smack would be possible.

gotta trust someone in this life and for me it's the p-docs now. you that are in the thick of the struggle with your self control have my empathy. that buph is way easy to abuse and too easy to get.

sorry mcmurphy - I didn't see your post earlier

I haven't (knock on wood) ever had a DUI or been in any trouble with the law

the self-control is the hardest and I am craving in a bad way today

when you say buph are you referring to the suboxone?

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wakko,

yes, buprenorphine is suboxone. hadn't even been around a set of works in decades when my #2 son arrived out of the blue in '02. we went down old mexico for a day and he got hold of that shit. i had no idea it existed but he sure did.

it was a just a matter of months and i was a total mess just as if i had not ever put the smack jones down.

took baker act and the va to get me on my feet again. son is in the wind now and knows, when he shows, that i am vulnerable. the family that shoots together-keeps together NOT.

in spite of falling on my ass many times, i believe that substituting methadone, bup., or some other chemical to kick a jones, does nothing for cultivating self control. and that, i believe, is the elusive thing in our childish minds.

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hi, mcmurphy

I am glad to see that you have managed to get on your feet again.

I saw pdoc this morning and she did give me a script for it - subutex

I suppose that I am hoping that it will just take care of the cravings

Because I really do want to come off of the paid meds - except for when I go back to surgery

you give me hope that one day I also will be able to deal with my addiction in the good way ;)

p.s. I sorry Mentalcase I kinda took over your thread -

in your Q & A above - you list that subutex & suboxone are different by one chemical

my pdoc says they are the same?

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hi, mcmurphy

I am glad to see that you have managed to get on your feet again.

I saw pdoc this morning and she did give me a script for it - subutex

I suppose that I am hoping that it will just take care of the cravings

Because I really do want to come off of the paid meds - except for when I go back to surgery

you give me hope that one day I also will be able to deal with my addiction in the good way ;)

p.s. I sorry Mentalcase I kinda took over your thread -

in your Q & A above - you list that subutex & suboxone are different by one chemical

my pdoc says they are the same?

First time poster but ill give the short version of my experience on subxone.Started w/ about 3 years of herion use (non-IV) then transfered into a methadone program for about 3.5 years. Altho at the time i thought methadone was a miracle in the beginning the long term use will slowly rot ur soul and body. Every spring on methadone i would try to titrate my dose (80 mg) to nothing and try to kick , everytime being unsucessful due to the 6 months of protracted detox. Then i found a suboxone program which started w/ 5 days of the IM armshot of Bup. Which required me to get to 30 mg and stop meth for 2 whole days and still went thro very intense detox symptoms for the first 2 days of the shots. Wish i would have went to 30 mg then did herion or pain pills for about 7-10 days then transfered into the subxone. after the shots i was one 24 mg a day of subtex then subxone.stayed at 24 mg for about a month then started the titration for the next 5 months until i reached 0 mgs. Now im 19 days suboxe-free and while its certainly easier then methadone (By far) the fatigue and body aches and sleeplessness are still kicking after 19 days. Severe part was over in about 10 days but this crap is dragging out. im a 26 year old male. Final advice would be NEVER get on methadone, and get on subxone only if u need to learn and practice a drug free lifestyle. It takes time to learn this mindset and sometimes matieance is nessary until u learn. Before i learned i detoxed off herion about 10 times. But the years of methadone and months of subxone i learned to live drug-free.19 days and counting opiate-free. God-bless! How bad do u want it? Do u have something to live for? If so do it while ur young.

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wacco,

your stance in the matter of addiction is rational. dependance is practically the opposite of addiction. many of us depend on meds or health goes by the wayside. you have a pdoc on top of it-you have done what many of us should have done.

no matter where this p-doc at the VA goes with treating me, i ain't gonna tinker with self medication.

chemsyn.. said it eloquenly "do it while ur young". never a truer word spoken!

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thanks for your replies & honesty guys

unfortunately I am not really that young (47 next month)

I have not had any oxy for over a month now

it's just the cravings are really bad

the pharmacy didn't have the subutex until this afternoon

I just don't want one addiction to turn into another

but my past history has dictated it.

It's really really hard

I don't deal with change very well

of course, my tdoc this morning was very happy that I talked to my pdoc about it.

All I can do it try and the support from everyone here helps ALOT!!!!

hugs & kisses to all ;)

wakko

edited to add that my pdoc is starting me at 4mg day

I have heard bad stories about the methadone and glad she didn't do that

I wish you the best of luck chemsynking :)

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