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I hope this is where this goes, if not please move it to where it belongs. I was looking around and came across this website. They offer all kinds of lab work to determine the cause of depression etc. I was wondering if anyone else would look at it and help me determine if this is a load of crap or if there is any legitamacy to it.

If so, would idt be worth it for me to look into. I have been looking for anwers for awhile now.

http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/index.php?pr=Home_Page

I am dx'd MDD and not having any luck with anti depressants.

Thanks,

Dragonwolf

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Hi,

I hope this is where this goes, if not please move it to where it belongs. I was looking around and came across this website. They offer all kinds of lab work to determine the cause of depression etc. I was wondering if anyone else would look at it and help me determine if this is a load of crap or if there is any legitamacy to it.

If so, would idt be worth it for me to look into. I have been looking for anwers for awhile now.

[link=http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/index.php?pr=Home_Page" target="_blank]http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/index.php?pr=Home_Page[/link]

I am dx'd MDD and not having any luck with anti depressants.

Thanks,

Dragonwolf

Sound like good common sense healthy eating, exercise, have some herbs... if you have occasional blues that everybody gets. I don't know about you, but these everyday people 'depression' remedies don't do much for me.

Speaking of natural supplements, have you tried Omega 3 fatty acids? Latest studies indicate that 1-2grams of the EPA ingrediant acts as a natural antidepressant for many. Of course, not all feel the effect as is the case with most things psych. I'm not suggesting it as monotherapy for anyone with severe depression, but hey, every little bit helps. Talk to your pdoc about it. Mine is the one who recommended it to me.

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They provide the "tests" that tell you which of their products you should also pay them for. That's a HUGE conflict of interest.

Hm. The "Bloodspot" tests are "non-invasive," i.e., no blood draw! That is misleading to an average person and can be expected to be extremely misleading to someone who might not be thinking straight - i.e., a prospective client. The amino assay is going to be all over the place depending on what you've eaten when. I don't see a use for it - real amino acid malabsorption/metabolism diseases usually are quite discernable in early childhood.

As an example of what else bothers *me*, they offer a "thyroid panel" based on a saliva test. It may be valid, but the diagnostic standards are based on a blood test your doctor should already be having run every year. Likewise for blood sugar. Those are red flags for depression and for ADHD "testing"

If you already know what supplements work for you and you like the prices, I've no reason to believe they won't deliver. I would not trust any of their diagnostics not backed up by more traditional testing by an appropriate doctor (M.D. or D.O.)

I am dx'd MDD and not having any luck with anti depressants.

"not having luck with anti depressants" isn't telling anyone much of anything - not what medications you've actually been on and not what you mean by "luck" Without more information, someone is as likely to suggest something that will make you more completely miserable than better.

But if that's the best you can articulate the situation for now, just read through the many posts in the depression and antidepressant forums (not just here, btw.) That should give you a better idea of how to describe to complete strangers what you've been through and what you're looking for in treatment. In the end, you'll get better use of this site (and maybe your doctors!)

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VE sez: "I'd try prayer first. It's cheaper." my last pdoc's ouija board didn't cost much and was as effective as prayer.

i live in a small fishing town. we all eat pounds of halibut, salmon, ling cod, dungeoness crab, steelhead and trout. there are plenty, plenty moonbats around this town and it's docks. codliver oil can't do too much for us here.

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Hi,

I am sorry I was not clear. I have been diagnosed as MDD. I have taken zoloft, for almost 2 years. at 200 mg it just did not work anymore. Then I was good for about 2 years. Now have been really down for about a year and half. I have taken celelexa, lexapro, wellbutrin, effexor, i think that is all. I seem to react to them differently than I used to. Within about 5-7 days I am up and anxious sometimes maybe a bit high feeling. Then as with lexapro it completely quits or I up the dose.

Wellbutrin caused panic attacks after a week and sleeping only 4 hours a night. So did effexor. I also started these at the lower than average dose because I do not tolerate side effects well.

In the past when I was first dx'd I was hospitalized. They gave me trazadone, neurontin, ativan and zoloft. I spent a week in a complete fog. I eventually quit all but the zoloft.

I have been feeling really angry, crying at least once daily, cant remember sh*t, and still have to fuction for my two adhd kids. So I saw that website and thought is this real or hokey. I would love to have a ton of blood work and have someone say this med will help you. or at the least we think you could benefit from "whatever". Maybe my addled brain just cannot concentrate without extreme effort right now. That is why I asked for the second opinion. I do have an appt with the local community clinic. I do not have insurance and have to go to where most poor people go.

I hope that better explains my situation. I appreciate all the help that I can get.

Dragonwolf

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Have you ever been tested for hypothyroidism? I know I harp on this a lot, but it is an often overlooked thing.

Here is a link: [link=http://www.endocrineweb.com/hypo1.html" target="_blank]http://www.endocrineweb.com/hypo1.html[/link] (scroll down to see the full list of symptoms)

but a few symptoms of hypothyroidism are:

Depression

Irritability

Memory loss

Fatigue

There are more listed at the site above. So me people have more symptoms, some less, some don't have any symptoms and find out they are hypothyroid when some labs are run for something else. It's kind of a crapshoot.

Just thought I'd throw this info out there since sometimes it can be overlooked. If you're hypothyroid, there's probably a good chance that treating that alone won't fix your depression, but it may change the way your body reacts to anti-depressants.

Keep in mind though, Levoxyl + Zoloft may require a higher dose of Levoxyl for continued therapeutic levels.

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http://www.drugs.com/pro/levoxyl.html[/link]]Administration of sertraline in patients stabilized on levothyroxine may result in increased levothyroxine requirements.
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Also here: [link=http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levoxyl_ad.htm" target="_blank]http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levoxyl_ad.htm[/link]

Though you will have to scroll down to the Antidepressants section underneath the Miscellaneous header.

Hope this info helps.

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First off, it sounds like you are in need of more help than you can safely and reliably get from alternatives and supplements. Those really work best in nudging an existing medication/therapy regime into the zone for you or for easing side effects from a working treatment.

I have taken celexa, lexapro, wellbutrin, effexor, i think that is all. I seem to react to them differently than I used to. Within about 5-7 days I am up and anxious sometimes maybe a bit high feeling. Then as with lexapro it completely quits or I up the dose.

Celexa and Lexapro are very closely related medications (C has two variants of the same molecule, L has one of the two), so it's not surprising that they worked about the same. Effexor at lower doses will normally work like an SSRI (like Lexapro, for example) until you discontinue it.

Wellbutrin caused panic attacks after a week and sleeping only 4 hours a night. So did effexor.

Did you have panic attacks on Effexor, or just on Wellbutrin? Both can cause insomnia, through different mechanisms. As to the panic attacks, I'm told that's possible during startup - I haven't experienced that myself.

In the past when I was first dx'd I was hospitalized. They gave me trazadone, neurontin, ativan and zoloft.

Perhaps they didn't want you moving around very much!

The catch is, whether it's a recurrence of depression or even developing bipolar disorder, at some point you're going to have to decide between "no side effects" and "no getting better." If you go with taking a chance on getting better, you may have to choose which side effects you can or cannot tolerate and to what extent. That's reality - no free lunches.

It's possible that you can tolerate Cymbalta where you couldn't tolerate Wellbutrin. Other people combine Wellbutrin with a medication like Ativan or Klonopin because of break-through panic attacks. I think that more people are also ending up on a combination of an SSRI and a mood stabilizer. Others get relief from a sedating or an activating tricyclic. There are MANY choices still that you have not been through, though some might well suck worse than the illness. That happens too.

Once you get something that mostly works, there may be supplements/alternatives that reduce the negative side effects (Almost everyone whines about "side effects"; few realize that not all of them are negative effects.) And in many cases there are alternative/supplemental choices that can help you not need quite so much medication.

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