ChemistryExperiment Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 My Cocktail: Claritin 10mg AM Levothyroxin 100mcg AM Docusate SOD 200mg BID Prevacid 20mg AM Diphenhydram (benadryl) 50mg HS Fluvosamine (luvox) 100mg BID Gabapentin (neurontin) 800mg TID Cytomel 50mcg AM Venlafaxine (Effexor) 37.5mg BID Haloperidol 10mgAM 15mg HS (although I made it 15. its really supposed to be 10..) and 2-5mg prn q4hs Albuterol HFA AER Inhale 2 puffs by mouth every 4 hours as needed Trazadone HCL 150mg HS Senna 8.6mg PRN BID Maxalt MLT 5mg PRN Albuterol 0.083% Neb PRN Hydroxyz pam 25-50mg PRN q4hours Acidophillus AM Geodon 90mg BID Fish Oil BID Certagen AM Advair Discus 500/50 BID Singulair 10mg HS Verapamil 120mg BID Strattera 40mg BID (8am 12pm) Co Q 10 AM Mirilax PRN Problem: My migraines are fucking horrible and i'm a fucking nervous fucking wrek. and I feel like saying fucking. don't mind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangergirl Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 HOLY FUCKING COW! That's a lot of meds - I'm with you on the word fuck - I LOVE IT! Fuckity fuck fuck fuck - WOOHOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaB Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 can you divide that into what are psych meds/ what are other meds/ what are supplements? I can't even begin to read it as it is. eta and what each psych med is for. your pdoc should at the very least have told you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemistryExperiment Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 Claritin 10mg AM Levothyroxin 100mcg AM Docusate SOD 200mg BID Prevacid 20http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/style_images/arobase-en/folder_editor_images/rte-bold.png Boldmg AM Diphenhydram (benadryl) 50mg HS - tremor Fluvosamine (luvox) 100mg BID - depression/OCD Gabapentin (neurontin) 800mg TID - Mood Stabalizer Cytomel 50mcg AM Venlafaxine (Effexor) 37.5mg BID - depression Haloperidol 10mgAM 15mg HS (although I made it 15. its really supposed to be 10..) and 2-5mg prn q4hs - Hallucinations Albuterol HFA AER Inhale 2 puffs by mouth every 4 hours as needed Trazadone HCL 150mg HS - Sleep Senna 8.6mg PRN BID Maxalt MLT 5mg PRN Albuterol 0.083% Neb PRN Hydroxyz pam 25-50mg PRN q4hours Acidophillus AM Geodon 90mg BID - Hallucinations Fish Oil BID Certagen AM Advair Discus 500/50 BID Singulair 10mg HS Verapamil 120mg BID Strattera 40mg BID (8am 12pm) Co Q 10 AM Mirilax PRN The Bold Underline ones are psych meds. The italicized meds are non psych meds... the bold italicized underlined meds are for psych and non psych. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.mcmurphy Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 we all have MI and don't want to but have to take meds to keep it under control. do you use a wheel barrow as a pill planner? you have been having a bunch of problems and i am not giving you the business. just a cheap shot at your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Wow thats an awful lot of disorders. It makes me wonder if there might be a smaller number of underlying problems that are causing you all those problems. Doctors and psychologists are not known for treating the cause of the problems. They tend to treat the symptoms and overlook the causes. I have some suggestions for you: Try http://www.diagnose-me.com/ - 1000 questions and I think it costs 20$ to get suggestions for disorders that you might have. This may find some of the kind of disorders that are harder to locate, especially in bundles of symptoms such as you have. Its more thorough than any doctor can ever be. See a nutritionist. Poor nutrition or eating unnatural substances (food additives) can wreak all manner of havock, especially if you are sensitive. You may have food allergies you dont know about. And things like allergies and sensitivities and malnutrition and food additives can cause both physical and psychological symptoms. Changes in diet have been known to really help with things like fibromyalgia (I have read that a 100% organic raw foods diet cured one person's symptoms). And I have experienced for myself what gluten intolerance and MSG can do to me. MSG (its in darned near EVERYTHING not just in chinese food) will make me so sound sensitive that I want to kill people just for making the sound of breathing across the room. Caffeine makes me paranoid and keeps me from sleeping, even if I onyl drink a very small amount early in the day. Gluten intolerance gave me a variety of symptoms such as nausea and sneezing and irritable bowel syndrome symptoms (like diareeha, constipation and pain) and even caused a vitamin deficiency that lead to carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms - so by cutting out gluten I killed like a million birds with one stone. If I were eating the wrong foods, I would be a MAJOR wreck right now and I'd probably be on as many medications as you. Nutritionists are wonderful because they focus on prevention and resolution of problems whereas doctors tend to only just treat them after the fact instead of actually curing them. The nutritionist may not be able to fix everything, but I bet you could see serious improvement in at least some areas by making strategic changes in your diet. Also, you may want to do a detox / cleansing diet - ask the nutritionist about that - doing detox may improve things significantly. I have read that gifted people are often misdiagnosed with psychological problems because psychologists mistake their differences for psyche issues. That is one possible explanation for why you have been diagnosed with so many things. You could try looking into giftedness and/or reading "Mis-diagnosis and Dual Diagnosis of Gifted Children and Adults" and see if any of your psyche issues might be misdiagnosises. Good luck, man, you have more problems than I have ever seen. You deserve a badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Oh yeah. Also, you could consider maybe using over the counter amino acids in place of some of those psyche drugs - they are more natural and will probably be less toxic and have less side effects. And wrongdiagnosis.com might help you. If you start browsing each of your diagnosises taht might be another good way to find potential underlying causes. With a list like that, I really feel it would be less likely to have ALL those things separately than that many of them are somehow caused by one source... take care of the source of the problems, and the problems will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
december_brigette Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 hi, i notice a lot of breathing & allergy-type meds. just in itself - advair kicked me in the ass. never again. and albuterol can make one go faster than the speed of sound. have you tried any other type of inhalants for breathing/allergy problems? there are some with less drastic side effects. xoxo, db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaB Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 you could consider maybe using over the counter amino acids in place of some of those psyche drugs suggesting to someone that they ditch their psychiatric meds in favour of OTC products is VERY dangerous. Please don't do it. DB's suggestions made sense and related only to the NON-psych meds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemistryExperiment Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 hi, i notice a lot of breathing & allergy-type meds. just in itself - advair kicked me in the ass. never again. and albuterol can make one go faster than the speed of sound. have you tried any other type of inhalants for breathing/allergy problems? there are some with less drastic side effects. xoxo, db Advair has been a life saver for me. its taken my ER visits for asthma down a ton. I'm also allergic to gluten, eggs, beef, and I suspect something else although I'm not sure what it is. =/ I'm also allergic to cigarette smoke, mold, dust, mildew, etc... I eat gluten and eggs occasionally.... which plays havoc with things.... but its so hard to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 suggesting to someone that they ditch their psychiatric meds in favour of OTC products is VERY dangerous. Please don't do it. I did not specifically say that febrezeaddict should ditch them without consulting a psychologist, which seems to be the interpretation of my suggestion that you are having. Febrezeaddict can easily take this idea TO the psychologist and discuss it with him/her. If you read it carefully, you will see that the wording in my suggestion did not imply one way or another what my opinion is on whether febrezeaddict should first consult a professional. The reason I did not specify whether I think febrezeaddict should ask a psychologist is that I tend to assume that other people are capable of making their own decisions and using good judgment until I have reason to believe otherwise. I consider it to be emotionally abusive to condescend to people by babysitting their brains and coaching their every decision, so I attempt to be as objective, to-the-point and non-controlling as possible when making suggestions. And for the record, it is likely that the amino acids are actually far LESS dangerous than the prescription pills. Amino acids are substances that are found in food - something our bodies are totally "designed" to process. As far as I know, they are harmless. Prescription drugs are not harmless - the process that they use to test the drugs does not declare them harmless but merely ensures that the harm that they will do is less than the harm that the patient will experience without them. Prescription drugs can and do cause people permanent damage - look up "Tardive Dyskenesia" for an example of permanent nerve damage caused by prescription anti-psychotic drugs. Perhaps what you meant was dangerous was quiting the prescription psyche drugs abruptly? That WOULD be dangerous. But once again, I did not state or imply that I think febrezeaddict should quit them *abruptly*. I did not even state that I think she SHOULD quit them at all. It was merely an idea, presented for febrezeaddict's contemplation. I said absolutely nothing to imply that I think febrezeaddict should NOT consult a psychologist first, obtain approval for switching, taper off of the medications at the correct pace, and do whatever else might be involved in switching. I merely omitted these instructions, as it is not my habit to tell people how to live. As for whether the amino acids would work, and whether febrezeaddict can survive without the prescriptions, I have no idea. That will be something that febrezeaddict will surely take into consideration so long as febrezeaddict has good judgment. If you do not think febrezeaddict has good judgment, or you do not think she knows about things like how it is dangerous to stop taking prescription psychiactric drugs abruptly, then someone will need to tell her this. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to do that now, as telling ME that you think my suggestion is dangerous will not stop HER from whatever she is about to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Actual doctors are strongly recommended over $20 who-knows-who's-giving-it service on the internet. Switching to otc meds from psych meds without doctor's supervision is a bad, bad idea, more so when you have a lot of serious diagnoses. Nutritionists are not psychiatrists. They can be helpful in constructing a healthy diet that supports mental health, but they are not qualified to treat mental illness. If febreze is unhappy with her current treatment, it's a good idea to get a second opinion from someone who is qualified to give one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Actual doctors are strongly recommended over $20 who-knows-who's-giving-it service on the internet. The intention with that program is not to give people a diagnosis or treatment or replace having a doctor, but to generate a printout that you can take to your doctor that will help your doctor figure out whats going on with you. They also offer, for 45$, the service of having an actual doctor look over the report that it generates. I was, however, wrong about one thing: The cost to have it generate a report is only 15$, not 20$. I think that using a program to search a database of disorders is great because it cuts out human error and because programs do not have the same limitations that humans do. It may be that the program's database contains information from every field of medicine rather than just one specialty. This specialization is a limit to human doctors, but perhaps it does not limit that program. Thats just one example of why the program might be helpful. Being that it is only 15$ and cannot do you any harm, and since it is possible that your doctor overlooked something that could be extremely detrimental to your health, I would say it is most advisable to do the report. Its like a spell checker but for medical diagnosis. Very handy, I would think. Obviously the program cannot think and make good decisions, but it seems like the sort of thing that would make a great tool to assist a doctor, and I bet it could even save lives. Now, I cannot give testimony on whether that program is good or not, as I have not tried it. But from my preliminary inspection of the website, my opinion is that it is worth the 15 dollars to give it a try. Switching to otc meds from psych meds without doctor's supervision is a bad, bad idea, more so when you have a lot of serious diagnoses. This is not what I suggested. Please see this post, as it clarifies exactly what I suggested: [link=http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=20454&view=findpost&p=268515" target="_blank]http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.ph...st&p=268515[/link] Nutritionists are not psychiatrists. They can be helpful in constructing a healthy diet that supports mental health, but they are not qualified to treat mental illness. This is a good point. However, if the CAUSE of a problem is in one's diet, then by addressing the CAUSE of the problem, one will see improvement. Just because we humans have not certified nutritionists to treat mental illnesses does not mean that, in reality, poor nutrition can never be a cause of mental issues. I believe is quite within the realm of possibility that by changing one's nutrition, one's physical and mental symptoms could resolve. Would you argue that it is absolutely not possible that nutritional issues can be a cause of mental or physical illness? Would you argue that just because nutritionists are not officially certified to treat mental issues, that this would somehow change the reality that it is possible for nutritional issues to cause mental or physical illnesses? Knowing that it is within the realm of possibility that nutritional issues can cause mental and physical issues, would it really be in the best interest of febreezeaddict to discourage febreezeaddict from visiting a nutritionist to discover whether any nutritional issues are present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Bit touchy, aren't you? And trying pretty hard to start a flamewar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowen Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 "I eat gluten and eggs occasionally.... which plays havoc with things.... but its so hard to avoid. " Yeah, so I'm not so good at using the quote function yet... Food intolerances and food allergies can have interesting ways of manifesting themselves. I don't know a whole lot about doing the gluten-free thing (As I am an avid gluten fan), but I have found that it is pretty easy to avoid eggs. Do you eat a lot of prepared foods, or do you cook for yourself? If you do cook for yourself often, I can scrounge up some recipes if you pm me. Have you talked to your doctor about using senna and mirilax together? Does the mirilax not work particularly well, or are you taking the senna for something else? Are you taking the L. acidolphilis for digestive tract and girly issues, or are you taking it for another reason? Some people take probiotics to strengthen their immune systems, but probiotics don't quite work that way. You can eat fermented foods (sauerkraut, miso, etc.) and/or yogurt and get more or less the same effect. I know the pills have a lot more of the bacteria, but there is nothing quite like getting nutrients from food. I take it that you have digestive tract issues. How much fiber are you getting? Perhaps you should increase your intake a bit? That's my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
december_brigette Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 hi, just as a general announcement for anyone who cares - there are plenty of reputible free medical-type websites. my personal fav is mayoclinic.com. but even with a site like that - one would still need to see in person a real live medical doctor. febreeze - im glad advair works for you. i know people on both sides - those that had experiences like mine, and people like you where advair made a huge positive difference. mostly-sane - please note that febreeze is not the only person reading this thread. DUH!!! people who are checking out CB for the first time may stumble upon this thread. and it is important that "newbies" understand and get a good grasp of CB philosophies which is pretty much - SEE YOUR OWN DOCTOR. we can write about anything on CB (given that its within the guidelines). and give people suggestions to discuss with their doctors. but if a newbie sees someone suggesting an alterative tx to what they currently have - it can be confusing. and not everyone is as smart as you. thats all, december Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null0trooper Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 And for the record, it is likely that the amino acids are actually far LESS dangerous than the prescription pills. Amino acids are substances that are found in food - something our bodies are totally "designed" to process. As far as I know, they are harmless. Hydrogen cyanide and chromium are also substances that are found in food; neither of them are harmless. More specifically, you should research more about the various amino acid supplements before recommending them to the population at large in place of psychiatric medications. For example: l-tyrosine supplements have sent bipolar persons into hypomania. Many people who are sensitive to MSG are also sensitive to the normal levels of glutamic acid in some foods The natural levels of tyramine in some foods are deadly to a person on an irreversible MAOI We have all of the above here, and some with combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null0trooper Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Would you argue that it is absolutely not possible that nutritional issues can be a cause of mental or physical illness? The fact that nutritional deficiencies - the majority of which are currently very rare in the US and European populations - have mental or physical symptoms is known. The signs, symptoms, and diagnostic tests are well-documented, and it is exceedingly unlikely that a computer program is going to identify a true deficiency that a board-certified doctor will miss. In addition, if you should read up on the myriad nutritional defects/malabsorption syndromes in sufficient detail to support your case you will have ample opportunity to discover that most are discovered in childhood and are often fatal before full adulthood. Furthermore, the lack of impossibility is not proof of a substantial or reasonable probability. Would you argue that just because nutritionists are not officially certified to treat mental issues, that this would somehow change the reality that it is possible for nutritional issues to cause mental or physical illnesses? The reality that nutritionists are not psychiatrists is as irrelevant to what "nutritional issues" may or may not cause as it is irrelevant to the foolish belief that computer programs front-ended with potentially biased questionaires are inherently less error-prone than experienced medical professionals. Knowing that it is within the realm of possibility that nutritional issues can cause mental and physical issues, would it really be in the best interest of febreezeaddict to discourage febreezeaddict from visiting a nutritionist to discover whether any nutritional issues are present? It is also within the realm of possibility that you are deliberately targeting febreezeaddict with advice that would destabilize her mental state to your own advantage. It is entirely in her interest to stay as far away from your rhetoric as it is possible for her to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openembrace Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 that's a lot of meds, my dear! ~angelface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Bit touchy, aren't you? And trying pretty hard to start a flamewar. Ah, now I see that I have disagreed with the administrator. With the kinds of super crazy trolls that I imagine this kind of board would attract, I would be at my wits end trying to administer the place. You probably run into jerks every day and need to be quick at identifying them. I was the administrator of a forum once, and most of the users were nice, but the trolls nearly ate me alive. It was a new board that had never had volunteer administrators before, so we were infested. There were character assassinations flying around and people taking cheap shots at me and sending smears to the other admin and all kinds of stuff. There was even a guy throwing a one man revolt. It was a freaking ZOO. It was awful. It was like they wanted to tear me down just because I had the power to ban them. It was enough to make anyone paranoid. After a while, I felt about ready to stab anyone who disagreed with me in the eye. I know how it is. I am not interested in starting a flame war here. My method of choice is to discuss disagreements in a civil manner. I do hope that the lack of personal attacks will stand as evidence in my favor. Please do consider that I may not be the flamewar starter that I originally appeared to be. I do care about being as helpful, informative and thorough as possible. I see now that this can appear to be touchiness. To be fair to you, you have not gotten to know me well enough to see my passion for being helpful and my habit of being as thorough as possible, so it was only logical for you to regard me with suspicion. My point of view is unconventional, and it probably seems bizarre. Maybe the strangeness of my point of view made you feel suspicious of me also. You have no reason to trust me, but I think if you read my other posts, you will find that it is not my pattern to be annoying, but rather that I am passionate and helpful, and that I am thorough and informative like I say I am. I have written four posts under this account, and multiple posts under the guest handle "Mostly Sane" on the same day I joined. I am here because I love psychology (I do a lot of independant research) and I would like to share the unconventional, obscure and cutting edge information I have discovered with the people who need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
december_brigette Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 hi all: null, thank you for your very insightful posts. it reminds us all to do a bit of research, or to "really-know-our-shit." mostly-sane: perhaps people would be more accepting of your "unconventional, obscure, and cutting-edge information," if you backed it up with web links or book references. db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null0trooper Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 that's a lot of meds, my dear! ~angelface She's got a lot of diagnosed problems listed in her .sig, and has mentioned asthma and multiple allergies in her posts on this thread. Hypothyroid's somewhere in there too, with that med list. Since all three can be life-threatening, they have to be treated whether they play well with MI or MI meds. Oddly enough, diphenhydramine should be able to temporarily relieve EPS, and T3 hormone can increase the effectiveness of some TCAs. So sometimes the polypharmacy makes sense if you stare at it long enough (and look up the unfamiliar stuff!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null0trooper Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'm also allergic to gluten, eggs, beef, and I suspect something else although I'm not sure what it is. =/ I'm also allergic to cigarette smoke, mold, dust, mildew, etc... I eat gluten and eggs occasionally.... which plays havoc with things.... but its so hard to avoid. So I've been told. Lactose intolerance usually accompanies multiple allergies and food intolerances - but when it's bad, you don't need senna Here's something that may help one or two problems (not the migraines though - is your blood pressure under control?) nutiva makes an organic hemp protein powder that they recommend mixing into smoothies (It's grittier than they admit) that's very high in fiber (duh. They still make hemp ropes,) magnesium, and zinc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Like DB, I would also enjoy discussions with links/references for unconventional/obscure/cutting-edge info. I tend to be skeptical of findings that may or may not not have stood the test of time and/or peer review (research psych background = pretty critical), especially ones that suggest alternatives to established treatments. (Not always rejecting of research, just skeptical - for example, there's an increasing amount of research on bipolar and circadian rhythms, which has potential clear implications for simple add-on treatment for bipolar, but I'm waiting a bit before I rush out to buy dorky goggles.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly_Sane Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 December_Brigette and Resonance, mostly-sane: perhaps people would be more accepting of your "unconventional, obscure, and cutting-edge information," if you backed it up with web links or book references. Like DB, I would also enjoy discussions with links/references for unconventional/obscure/cutting-edge info. I tend to be skeptical of findings that may or may not not have stood the test of time and/or peer review (research psych background = pretty critical), especially ones that suggest alternatives to established treatments. (Not always rejecting of research, just skeptical - for example, there's an increasing amount of research on bipolar and circadian rhythms, which has potential clear implications for simple add-on treatment for bipolar, but I'm waiting a bit before I rush out to buy dorky goggles.) Is there a specific statement you would like to see backed up? As I see it, there are dozens of such statements in my last few posts about which one could ask for a reference. I am not writing a research paper here, merely providing suggestions that one can take to their doctor. I am not about to go through the last few posts and find citations for every little thing. So if you would like a citation on a particular point that is not already provided, you will have to ask for that one specifically. Would you mind linking me to that bipolar study about circadian rhythms, resonance? Sounds interesting. I have a notion, myself, that caffeine might play a role in bipolar - being wired on caffeine may cause mania, and one of the main symptoms of caffeine withdrawl is depression. Caffeine can also cause paranoia, irritability, appetite suppression and sleep disturbance, which I have read are common with bipolar people. Caffeine sensitivity might play a role - some people are so sensitive they can't even have a single cup in the morning without it disturbing their sleep. For me, even decaf tea will keep me alert if I drink it before bed. Theoretically one might experience ups and downs that coincide with an increase in tolerance for caffeine and subsequent re-adjustment in dosage. This is just my own notion - no citation available. But if I were bipolar, I would taper off caffeine and see if my symptoms improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CER Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I have a notion, myself, that caffeine might play a role in bipolar - being wired on caffeine may cause mania, and one of the main symptoms of caffeine withdrawl is depression. Caffeine can also cause paranoia, irritability, appetite suppression and sleep disturbance, which I have read are common with bipolar people. Caffeine sensitivity might play a role - some people are so sensitive they can't even have a single cup in the morning without it disturbing their sleep. For me, even decaf tea will keep me alert if I drink it before bed. Theoretically one might experience ups and downs that coincide with an increase in tolerance for caffeine and subsequent re-adjustment in dosage. This is just my own notion - no citation available. But if I were bipolar, I would taper off caffeine and see if my symptoms improved. ?????????? Caffeine causes bipolar? I don't drink caffeine. If it were only that simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openembrace Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 that's a lot of meds, my dear! ~angelface She's got a lot of diagnosed problems listed in her .sig, and has mentioned asthma and multiple allergies in her posts on this thread. Hypothyroid's somewhere in there too, with that med list. Since all three can be life-threatening, they have to be treated whether they play well with MI or MI meds. Oddly enough, diphenhydramine should be able to temporarily relieve EPS, and T3 hormone can increase the effectiveness of some TCAs. So sometimes the polypharmacy makes sense if you stare at it long enough (and look up the unfamiliar stuff!) Aye, I know. I too am on a lot of meds for life-threatening condentions, and I was just sayin that. I also know her off the boards, so... yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 It is up to the person making unconventional/obscure/cutting-edge info to decide how many of their claims need to be backed up - this is how science plays out, the burden of proof (and responsibility for offering proof) is on the person making the claims to demonstrate that their statements are more accurate than conventional beliefs. A good rule of thumb is to pay special attention to things that could be dangerous. I'm not suggesting that you must anticipate everything, but that it is reasonable to attempt to anticipate challenges. For example, on CrazyBoards it would be particularly important to support the claim that a specific non-med treatment is effective and safe, especially if you present it as an alternative rather than an add-on. Prudence will also get you a generally better reception here - for example, when responding to someone who is manic and possibly psychotic - a state in which people are particularly likely to go off their meds and make other stupid decisions - a post suggesting alternatives to meds is not necessarily the most helpful thing for the situation. For example, a few of the claims (some explicit, some implicit) I would like to see backed up: - Poor nutrition, food additives/food allergies, etc., are a cause of the symptoms for which febreze takes meds and are a sufficiently common cause that they are worth her time investigating - That the anecdote that 100% organic raw foods diet cured one person's symptoms is accurately represents the data - The same for gluten intolerance, MSG, caffeine, etc. You've described a lot of your own symptoms, which sound pretty awful, but if you're using them to support strong recommendations, you need to back them up with actual data, not anecdotes. Here are some specific statements that concerned me, and that may be contributing to the responses you've gotten *whether you intended them or not* (i.e., the issue is not whether you had negative or positive intentions, but what effects are likely to result from the words and phrasing): "If I were eating the wrong foods, I would be a MAJOR wreck right now and I'd probably be on as many medications as you." Implication, whether you intended it or not: If you stop eating the things I stopped eating, you won't need meds. "Nutritionists are wonderful because they focus on prevention and resolution of problems whereas doctors tend to only just treat them after the fact instead of actually curing them." Implication, again whether you intended it or not: Ditch your doctor and get a nutritionist; nutritionists are better than doctors and can substitute for them and even do a better job. This is due to the "nutritionists are wonderful", "doctors...only just treat them after the fact instead of actually curing them", and the "whereas" that invokes an either/or impression. Regarding circadian rhythm, Dr. Phelps of psycheducation.org has been tracking the literature pretty thoroughly: http://www.psycheducation.org/depression/LightDark.htm Have you looked at any of the literature on bipolar and caffeine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null0trooper Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I have a notion, myself, that caffeine might play a role in bipolar - being wired on caffeine may cause mania, and one of the main symptoms of caffeine withdrawl is depression. Caffeine-induced symptoms of clinical mania in the absence of previously-diagnosed bipolar disorder have been reported, once, with a consumption in excess of 1000 mg/day. (Ogawa, N., Ueki, H., (2003) Secondary mania causes by caffeine. General Hospital Psychiatry 25: 138-139) However, millions of people drink caffeinated beverages each day without inducing mania, let alone bipolar disorder. That's not counting the amount of xanthine-based medications used vs. asthma. At best, there are a limited number of actual reports of excessive caffeine intake inducing a manic episode. In the end, you don't even have a good correlation let alone proof of causation. It's not quite bad enough a correlation to entertain the hypothesis that moderate caffeine use prevents mania - at least as far as I can tell. As to depression: "There's no evidence that caffeine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemistryExperiment Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Help again? I need to add a migraine med. I'm thinking about adding topamax... going to ask neurologist about it. it would work at straightening out some of the mood related symptoms as well, as I'm rapid cycling and its taking tons of energy away from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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