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"Depressed people dream up to three times as much as non-depressed people."

The Cycle of Depression

Too much dreaming is part of the cycle of being depressed?

I dream all night it seems. I just read this. Is anyone familiar with this idea?

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"Depressed people dream up to three times as much as non-depressed people."

The Cycle of Depression

Too much dreaming is part of the cycle of being depressed?

I dream all night it seems. I just read this. Is anyone familiar with this idea?

well... I used to dream a heck of a lot more when I was on Sodium Valproate which had the side effect of making me semi-permanently depressed.

I'm also guessing it means you don't sleep as deeply as isn't it REM sleep where its between being awake and deep sleep where we have most dreams?

Just my uneducated guesses ;)

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I'd never heard this, could it be true?!!! ;)

I've always dream a LOT, sometimes I wake up even "tired" from all the dreaming (not physically but as if I talked or thought about stuff the whole night!).

I dream of SO much weird stuff that sometimes it bothers me. My dreams are in color but I've had black and white, sepia and even cartoon dreams (and they even have "soundtracks" sometime!--a song playing in the background)... I've dreamt of creating furniture and buildings (like a project!), I've dreamt of coding (mostly java), I've dreamt of when people are speaking in another language I can't speak but in the dream I'm understanding it... I don't even think I'm "myself" in half of the dreams, sometimes I'm a guy or I switch bodies. I barely ever had nightmares (I'm glad because some of my dreams are too realistic), but I've had a couple of apocalyptic ones when I was a child that freaked me out.

I wish I could tape some of it, especially the ones from places I've never been / don't remember ever seeing.

My husband (who dreams very little--or that he remembers) read about it and it's like ShadowCat said, that when you don't dream you probably slept deep and good, while when you dream a lot then you're not sleeping so deep, or having some problem with the sleeping pattern.

Weird that this time around, even before I really started having trouble with insomnia (like I'm having now) I'd been dreaming more and more, also feels like it's the whole night!

I've had insomnia in the past that did NOT bring this many dreams, so I wonder if the depression I'm suffering does have something EXTRA to do with dreaming (then only not sleeping deeply / well -- which does make sense though).

So interesting...

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I know I have insane dreams because of the few I remember, but for me I hardly sleep and generally don't remember what dreams I have. I know some SSRIs cause vivid dreams so for the lucky few who are taking them might notice a bit more of an increase of dreaming than what I'm reporting. A few select dreams that I have remembered lately are running around England trying to avoid the cops becuase I thought I had murdered someone and being stuck in freezing water under an iced over lake. I've had a few lucid dreams and they always were nightmares that ended up me committing suicide in the dreams to get out of them - very odd and luckily I haven't had these in awhile.

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I know for me when I get into a deep depression and can't get out of it. I do not dream at all.

when things seem to be going good for me and I am happy. I dream like crazy (no pun intended)

I have wonderful dreams .

I never read anything on this but it would be intresting.

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i've never heard this. it's an interesting idea.

like latin girl, i tend to dream less, or not at all, when i'm depressed. the rest of the time, i dream nearly every night, and my dreams are usually very vivid and bizarre. i rarely have nightmares anymore, though i wonder if that has to do with age - i'm 45 now and had more nightmares when i was younger.

and like caterpillar, i sometimes wake up exhausted from all the activity in my dreams! it's really interesting to compare notes on something people don't generally talk about a lot.

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I normally don't dream or don't remember. Sleep is my time of escape. However sometimes just after awakening is when I feel very depressed. Maybe I was enjoying myself somewhere else and the Melancholy was because I had come back to 'reality'! ;) During SSRI withdrawal I would have dreams which I would remember in great detail. I found it to be annoying maybe because the dreams made no sense and cluttered my mind with nonsense.

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If dreaming is the minds way of working through unprocessed stuff and unexpressed emotion, then yes, perhaps we dream more when we are down. I have always dreamed a lot.

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Dusty,

You wanna come into my dreams hun theyre all night every night and very vivid!!!!

I can wake up from a dream and fall back to sleep straight back into it!!!!!!!

Id agree with that statement It certainly applies to me!!

Last night was a shark dream but as you know thats no surprise!!!!!

It also included the Orient Express,and a school prom,Im always really anxious and worried about something,searching and trying to find love most of the time,I wake up exhausted!!!

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<br />Dusty,<br /> You wanna come into my dreams hun theyre all night every night and very vivid!!!!<br />I can wake up from a dream and fall back to sleep straight back into it!!!!!!!<br /><br />Id agree with that statement It certainly applies to me!!<br /><br />Last night was a shark dream but as you know thats no surprise!!!!!<br />It also included the Orient Express,and a school prom,Im always really anxious and worried about something,searching and trying to find love most of the time,I wake up exhausted!!!<br />
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This sounds a bit like my SSRI withdrawal dreams. Have you investigated the possibility of training yourself to have enjoyable dreams? or of blocking dreams? It can be done.

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LOL sorry but I had to laugh, the idea of waking up exhausted from delivering babies! Uh... you dreamt that right? (maybe you're a doctor)

Even though I also dream all night and wake up & go back to sleep and start dreaming right away (if I'm not having insomnia / problem falling asleep I can be back in a dream in less than 10 minutes!), I don't think I've ever went back to the same dream like you Rose!

I WISH could do that, 'cause sometimes I want to see what happens next (when the dream gets interrupted) but when I fall back asleep something totally different starts. ;)

But Earthling is right, it is possible to control dreams! I don't know about really makiing ourselves dream something good (I haven't tried) but I am able to change the dream, for example, if I feel something bad starting to happen, I feel something weird like I am "aware" (that it's starting to suck) then suddenly something in the story changes, slightly but it does, and whatever-it-was-that-would-have-caused-fear / anxiety / pain / death can't happen anymore.

I don't know how I do it though, so I'm sorry I can't give you any tips.

But then even when I dream the craziest stuff I am barely ever really nervous or scared, even dreams of falling (which I never really hit the ground, last time I started to fly--automatic defense mechanism?!), I kind of just "go with it" and it actually amuses me, I wake up "WOW that was a weird one!" :)

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When I was on Prozac, I had incredibly vivid, intense dreams that played out like a movie. Every character had a complex backstory, every course of action had layers of meaning to be turned over and explored, and recontinued in the next night's dream.

Dusty, I don't know where you got the quote from. Based on my experience, it seems likely that SSRI's could cause this phenomenon. Another explanation is that dreams are an escape, so perhaps depressed people are just more likely to remember their dreams.

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I like mad_genius' explanation.... that dreams area an escape! It makes sense (to me)... No wonder when I'm really down and don't want to get out of bed, I'm trying real hard to fall back asleep so I can dream again! Distract myself with another reality...

My most intense / long / vivid dreams also have sometimes a "backstory" (nice way to put it!), do you also change characters or do you usually stay yourself? I'm getting even more curious as more of us talk about their own experiences with dreams... I wonder if anyone also exchange "characters" / bodies like I do?

Sometimes I'm not even sure I am ANYBODY (in the dream), it's as if I'm a camera... but most of the times I am someone (or something) then the "camera" jumps from one body to another or I'm suddenly someone else... (???!!!!--hidden multiple personalities?!!! Noooooo!) ;)

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LOL sorry but I had to laugh, the idea of waking up exhausted from delivering babies! Uh... you dreamt that right? (maybe you're a doctor)

Even though I also dream all night and wake up & go back to sleep and start dreaming right away (if I'm not having insomnia / problem falling asleep I can be back in a dream in less than 10 minutes!), I don't think I've ever went back to the same dream like you Rose!

I WISH could do that, 'cause sometimes I want to see what happens next (when the dream gets interrupted) but when I fall back asleep something totally different starts. ;)

But Earthling is right, it is possible to control dreams! I don't know about really makiing ourselves dream something good (I haven't tried) but I am able to change the dream, for example, if I feel something bad starting to happen, I feel something weird like I am "aware" (that it's starting to suck) then suddenly something in the story changes, slightly but it does, and whatever-it-was-that-would-have-caused-fear / anxiety / pain / death can't happen anymore.

I don't know how I do it though, so I'm sorry I can't give you any tips.

But then even when I dream the craziest stuff I am barely ever really nervous or scared, even dreams of falling (which I never really hit the ground, last time I started to fly--automatic defense mechanism?!), I kind of just "go with it" and it actually amuses me, I wake up "WOW that was a weird one!" :)

That's incredibly interesting!! When I was a child I was plagued by nightmares. I imagined that if I could fly in my dreams, I could escape the things that chased me. This was great psychology and the dreams began to abate. I then tried another experiment! If I squeezed my eyes shut in the dream, then I would awaken. This also worked and pretty soon the problem disappeared. I rarely have a nightmare now, sometimes years pass between episodes. That's all I know about dream control but I imagine more could be done with meditation. I just did a search and came up with example I have not read it yet, but it looks interesting.

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When I was on Prozac, I had incredibly vivid, intense dreams that played out like a movie. Every character had a complex backstory, every course of action had layers of meaning to be turned over and explored, and recontinued in the next night's dream.

Dusty, I don't know where you got the quote from. Based on my experience, it seems likely that SSRI's could cause this phenomenon. Another explanation is that dreams are an escape, so perhaps depressed people are just more likely to remember their dreams.

MG,

I got this from surfing the net. So it was random. The crux of it was too much dreaming will cause you to not get a good nights sleep.

Here is a link that does discuss this.......

[link=http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm"'>http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm" target="_blank]http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm[/link]

So what happens in depression, is that our negatively focused person is spending all day providing scoops of emotional arousal through the process described above. Now the stress container is filled with masses of emotional arousal but there is no action to discharge it (this is one reason exercise is good for helping depression

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Thanks for posting the text & link! Really interesting!!!

(I couldn't open without removing "target=blank" from the end of link, maybe like this works: http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm )

It does make sense, but I had to laugh from all the talk about "arousal" ;)

I wonder what it means though, the fact that I've ALWAYS dreamt so very much and have often these nights waking up exhausted, it can't be that I've always been depressed! (or that all depressed people have dreams as a escape / way to unload so much negative energy)

??!

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Thanks for posting the text & link! Really interesting!!!

(I couldn't open without removing "target=blank" from the end of link, maybe like this works: [link=http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm"'>http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm" target="_blank]http://www.anxietyspecialist.co.uk/Depression.htm[/link] )

It does make sense, but I had to laugh from all the talk about "arousal" ;)

I wonder what it means though, the fact that I've ALWAYS dreamt so very much and have often these nights waking up exhausted, it can't be that I've always been depressed! (or that all depressed people have dreams as a escape / way to unload so much negative energy)

??!

lol.........

Thanks for the link correction. I think, guess that too much dreaming just doesn't allow for deep sleep

where the body and mind relaxes.

I am on lexapro for GAD and to prevent depression from coming back. I have never had these types of dreams until I got depressed and my GAD got to the point I needed meds to function normally on a day to day basis.

I do enjoy the dreams for the most part as they are plot full and story like and entertaining too on some absurd level. I can't imagine that these dreams are just normal dreams, somehow they do relate to my real life as many times I dream about working and people I know in real life. These are the most disturbing ones to have. I am often mad as hell at someone and settleing some point. The second type of dream is as I have said before is where I am escaping endlessly with a series of deadends that just lead nowhere. But the scenery is just epic, often jumping for my life, breaking down doors, driving, crashing...on and on it goes until I wake up in a cold sweat.

DustyJr

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I'm glad I don't have chasing dreams like you do Dusty! That'd be horrible for my anxiety (I have more than enough, thanks!) ;)

I've also only been angry on dreams once or twice... usually I'm just watching, and like, "wow, that's weird, let's see what happens next" or I'm part of the action, talking or doing stuff (but most of the time nothing to do with my real life, even though I do have some stuff that happened or that I saw manifest itself again at night sometimes).

Yeah, taking the scary / upsetting ones aside, dreams are sure entertaining in a freaky absurd kind of way... :)

I wish I understood more about it... and that I didn't wake up sometimes soooo tired.

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