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i've been to so many people to help me with my symptoms and now i think i have some serious sleep disorder no one is taking seriously!! but 1st. i have a question:1) i had a 24 hour eeg done to check for seizures during what was probably 20 hours. would that find a sleep disorder? it was done by my neurologist.

okay i've been to too many doctors and drug stores to talk about what i've been through. im only 19 by the way. i have severe anxiety and no matter how much sleep i get i wake up feeling, oh...about as shitty as th day before. EVEN IF i take remeron, a powerful sleeping agent. my symptoms have, and always been, a sense of "half awake, half asleep. a powerful sense of unreality mixed with completely rational and grounded background thinking. even after 10 hours of sleep, or 6 or 8 or 12, i find myself yawning througout the day."

now i know people will think im just being a neurotic 19 year old. whenever i hear that i get tiny litttle cancers pop up somewhere because i KNOW i neurotic. i know the psychological connection with anxiety and derealization. its something my dr. house cure quest has been based on since the time if was released from the hospital for acute anxiety. (duh) also im pretty aware that many months ago i was on this board again convinced i had, of all things, an autism spectrum disorder (which was actually sensory integration , which had the symptoms i was talking about!) and i was a dick. im so sorry but i was in a lot of pain and still am.

ok let me tell you what people have told me when they sleep by me: i talk a LOT. i murmur and cuss and have very bizzare dreams, dreams so strange they could be short movies. but people tell me i am a very light sleeper who talks alot and occasionally snores. i have wondered if i'ts sleep apnea because of how tired i feel during the day no matter how much i sleep but 2 things: 1) im not fat, im tall and mildy in shape (for a 19 year old dude) and 2: my blood pressure s very low! i thought thos types have high!

but another thing is, my sleep problems (including getting up to pee a lot and poor sleep) started to get worse after my tonsils were taken out. i don't know. please please help in case you can't get the ghist of it im losing my fuckin mind! im gonna be like the guy from fight club if i don't get help! literally nothing is getting through to me when i talk to people even if im on my adhd med i feel so zoned out i never feel connected with anyone. even my job (cart pusher) is lagging and im getting those agitated, serial killer vibes! (not really. btw i could quit right now and be a successfull writer in case no one has noticed. i have a big ego ;)) OKAY nuff of that. should i get one of those sleep tests? what has helped you guys is sleep apnea common in 19 year olds thank yoooooooooooooooouuuuuu!!!! (not manic, tired)

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Hello H3llo,

I'm sorry your anxiety is so intense.

I'll tell you want I know about sleep apnea, OK?

To deteremine if you have it, you'll need to get a doctor to order a sleep study for you. If you want more info about the study itself, just ask, but in the interest of time, I'll skill to the punch.

When I had my study done I stopped breathing 88/hour and I was never able to reach REM sleep.

I was so sleep deprived that it cranked my anxiety level through the roof.

I now sleep with a CPAP (Continous Positive Airway Pressure) every night. I sleep great. The CPAP takes a bit of getting used to.

It doesn't really matter if your thin, you can still have OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).

Peace,

Phoenix

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You need to see a true sleep specialist for a full workup, rather than your GP or any 'ole doctor who sends you off for a one night sleep study.

Teasing out the true cause of sleep problems and finding the best solution can be extremely difficult and take time. I"ve been through the mill myself with apnea. Other related causes are central (brain) sleep apnea, narcolepsy, seizures, hiatal hernia, asthma, allergies, gastric esophageal reflux disease, sinus problems, sleep state disturbances, and a number of others. The effects of poor sleep on mental health cannot be understated.

The medical community in the last 10 years is beginning to recognize that regular sleep apnea is NOT just the province of fat middle aged men. A ground breaking anthropomorphic study 4 years ago documented that many of the participants with sleep apnea had significantly narrower than typical throats and soft palates. The impetus for this recognition has been a flood of fit younger women being dx'd. In hindsight, I believe I had some measure of sleep apnea going back to my teenage years when I was slim, active fit and backpacked, lifequarded, hiked etc.

The EEG may have detected some causes of sleep problems, but without a the additional sensors, and the supervision of a trained sleep specialist MD, several could be missed. Get recommendations from your own doctor, look in the phone book, and talk to the technicians at your local hospitals sleep lab. In my limited experience a sleep specialist is more likely to be a board certified Internist, with additional training in sleep issues. Certainly if your local hospital /doctors are not able to help you, the research and teaching hospitals in your state will have sleep labs who can.

[EDIT: a full work up could include blood work, EKG, head, neck and chest CT, upper GI tract series including barium swallow with tilt table, fluroscope, 24 hour esophogeal acidity measurment, lab night sleep study, daytime alertness study, extended in lab or ambulatory EEG.

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Hello H3llo,

I'm sorry your anxiety is so intense.

I'll tell you want I know about sleep apnea, OK?

To deteremine if you have it, you'll need to get a doctor to order a sleep study for you. If you want more info about the study itself, just ask, but in the interest of time, I'll skill to the punch.

When I had my study done I stopped breathing 88/hour and I was never able to reach REM sleep.

I was so sleep deprived that it cranked my anxiety level through the roof.

I now sleep with a CPAP (Continous Positive Airway Pressure) every night. I sleep great. The CPAP takes a bit of getting used to.

It doesn't really matter if your thin, you can still have OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).

Peace,

Phoenix

oh thank you SO MUCH! i always thought it was whe you snoored so loud you woke yourself up. im buying a tape recorder today to see if i do. im sick of feeling unrested. i just want temprorary help guess i should smoke some weed...or the clonopin in my desk will do.

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i just want temprorary help guess i should smoke some weed...or the clonopin in my desk will do.

Hi.

That's dumb.

You came and asked for help and advice.

AM and Phoenix gave you some.

So you turn around and say "Duh guess I'll just smoke some weed and take benzos"

Why the fuck bother even asking?

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i just want temprorary help guess i should smoke some weed...or the clonopin in my desk will do.

Hi.

That's dumb.

You came and asked for help and advice.

AM and Phoenix gave you some.

So you turn around and say "Duh guess I'll just smoke some weed and take benzos"

Why the fuck bother even asking?

ok im sorry i don't even smoke weed. i guess i was trying to sound tough or something but that doesn't make sense. sorry. but thanks for the advice phoenix.

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i don't know if i've already said this but i've been on every medication in the psychology department, to help with the symptoms ive been having (which are of something completely different, sleep) including the detatchment and that i've gone as far as to conclude im borderline (which my parents rightfully laughed at) schiztypal personality, and many other things. so i've been around the block even if it was mostly my fault.

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Like everyone else said, you'd need an actual sleep study in order to diagnose sleep apnea. I find it weird that your symptoms got worse after your tonsils got removed. My husband's apnea pretty much disappeared after he had his out (they were humongous). But the fact that things changed for you after the surgery makes me think that there may be something weird going on in your throat.

My friend's ENT (otolaryngologist) said that although most men with obstructive sleep apnea are overweight, a significant portion of OSA sufferers are actually tall and thin.

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As far as who can have it:

I'm pretty sure I was dx'd with central and obstructive and while I'm not stick thin, I'm not morbidly obese either. 26YO female. [And it still effected me even when I was 50 lbs lighter.]

So yeah it's definately possible for someone your age to have it.

I really would encourage you to look into getting a full sleep study if at all possible.

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As far as who can have it:

I'm pretty sure I was dx'd with central and obstructive and while I'm not stick thin, I'm not morbidly obese either. 26YO female. [And it still effected me even when I was 50 lbs lighter.]

So yeah it's definately possible for someone your age to have it.

I really would encourage you to look into getting a full sleep study if at all possible.

yeah i kind of feed on stereotypes like that but my uncle has it and he's pretty medium built. im a classic tall skinny white kid. but it's so hard talking to doctors when im feeling tired and half crazy from it. then they think i'm having a mental episode or something and tell me to talk to my psychiatrist. im gonna get a second opinion from another doc. do you just ask straight up, or say i've been basically doing my homework and i think this is the problem?

and as a sidenot i got my mp3 player to record voices, in can go for 12 hours so im gonna definitely hear some noises. kinda my own "sleep study" lol IM SO FUCKING CRAZY ahhhhhhhhh...not really. i think i lost of part of myself when i realized i can't rely on a label and think nursing that will solve my problems. like an attatchement disorder, but with diseases. well goodnight and wish me luck!

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As far as who can have it:

I'm pretty sure I was dx'd with central and obstructive and while I'm not stick thin, I'm not morbidly obese either. 26YO female. [And it still effected me even when I was 50 lbs lighter.]

Are you treating your central apnea in any way?

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I'm not sure if you've posted this somewhere else, but how long have you been on the Remeron and at what dose? Because low-dose Remeron can turn you into a zombie like nobody's business. It could just be that you need a better sleeping med.

I have to say that Remeron has done a lot for my mood problems, but I don't really fancy it as a sleeping med, personally. I needed Seroquel for that. FWIW.

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I'm not sure if you've posted this somewhere else, but how long have you been on the Remeron and at what dose? Because low-dose Remeron can turn you into a zombie like nobody's business. It could just be that you need a better sleeping med.

I have to say that Remeron has done a lot for my mood problems, but I don't really fancy it as a sleeping med, personally. I needed Seroquel for that. FWIW.

im bipolar, im on luvox and completely understand the idea that antidepressants don't help, but it was for OCD cause i couldn't stop thinking about solving my problem. obviously it hasn't helped and im on 7.5 mg of remeron

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1. Remeron has some very limited evidence to help with sleep apnea. But you should discuss that with the sleep specialist. Remeron is a radically different drug at different doses. h3llo should discuss this with his or her prescribing clinician. The low-low dose of Remeron is exactly what most savvy docs would recommend for low sleep, actually, IME.

2. Benzos WILL NOT HELP SLEEP APNEA. Please reread that sentence nine or ten times. Nor will alcohol. Suppressing respiratory centers is not better. I'd also, by the way, avoid barbiturates, Miltowns/Equanils, and being clonked on the head with a lead pipe. There's no evidence that it is/isn't apnea, but until that's sorted out, that's just something for h3llo's doc and h3llo to sort through.

2.1. Nor will smoking of anything. Irritating the respiratory passages? Not better. Also, putting a big vase of ragweed by the bed probably won't help while you're trying to figure this out. (And if there's any chance of GERD, then triggering reactive airway disease will make that worse as well.)

2.2. Weed? No, this would definitely be the most confusing possible thing you could do: ingest an unquantified amount of an unstandardized substance that basically hits every flippin' receptor system in the brain. Yes, that will clarify everything, and ensure that your clinical history is taken seriously by your doc to boot. (That was sarcasm. ;) )

I'd advise against the weed (which you've already decided against, it sounds like.) I don't think it would offer any significant relief, I'll lay fair to good odds that you'll get some rebound insomnia out of that deal as well as heightened anxiety (don't even go with the 'but it relaxes me' line - I love that one), and then, to boot, you could get some entertaining sleep myoclonus with discontinuation.

3. Sleep clinics are quite easy to find. Your FP/neuro can always refer you for a polysomnogram (sleep study) and you will STILL then be discussing it with a sleep specialist. Having a polysomnogram in hand will be helpful, whether you have it before or after you see sleep med.

4. As others have said, you can be thin and still have obstructive (or central) sleep apnea, or palatal myoclonus, or GERD. Or any of a multitude of other things.

And, yeah, it would be weird for obstructive sleep apnea to get weird after a tonsillectomy.

So it's worth a sleep specialist visit, if your ambulatory EEG was negative for seizures (but it should have shown some sleep stuff anyway - neuro didn't send you to sleep med?)

5. There are a multitude of other disorders that seem like apnea that aren't apnea (or sleep disorders), all of which a sleep specialist can discuss with you.

Good luck--

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Re: low-dose Remeron. TheLast describes this ever so much more coherently than I would at this point.

He doesn't get into the apnea study; I'll post that later/elsewhere. That would require a higher dose (it wasn't that high, though - and apnea, of course, isn't really on the table yet.)

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Okay, I made a mistake then. In my experience, it took a higher dose of Remeron to do my insomnia, but that was probably less because of the Remeron as sleepy-maker and more because the relief from my mood problems allowed me to sleep. I don't really have much experience with primary insomnia.

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It's a weird one, isn't it?

I love it for sleep - when they gave it to my great-aunt for straight-up insomnia, they gave her 7.5 mg and it gorked her. Bam.

They upped it for depression. Wide awake at 30mg. So they had to add something for sleep.

Oops. She was then REALLY WIDE AWAKE. Because she was manic.

Back to 7.5 mg. With lithium. Heh.

I love Remeron, though, it's one of the coolest ADs ever, I think... ;)

But, like Seroquel, at the ultra-low-doses, issues of polymorphism /clearance aside... it's having effects that are not so much related to systems we associate with mood. If that makes sense.

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i see my neurologist next week but im need it to be known howweird i feel. like everyday is a deja vu and i feel like i can't learn anything or do stuff that actually requres me to focus or think. and im constantly stressing im going to be embaressed because i have felt like this back in high school and it got me into weird/embaressing situations because i had to pretend i knew what was going on. i mean physically i feel tired but it's like mostly mental. half awake, halfdreaming. even clonopin can help so much it's driving me mad! i also feel like im in limbo because i can't quit my job, because im in which sucks to get a job in, and i can't quit school plus i have mid winter break this week. i just want to quit my job but i've done it so many times in the past...the only job i feel my brain can do is cart pushing! even though i have a pretty high IQ just the way i FEEL so zoned out all the time i can't fucking STAND IT!

and worse i tried to record myself sleeping and the stupid thing got pushed under my pillow and when i tried to hear it my breathing was pretty normal kind shallow sounding but i couldn'hear myself coughing or gagging or snoring. im so depressed about this. maybe this life is a lie and people just exist in my head. might as well i feel like im not part of it.

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i can't dissacociate or whatever if there's not pain to run from right? that's psychology. dissacociation is a defense mechanism against emotional or even physical pain, which im not experiencing. im DEPRESSED about how i feel but its not enough to make me mentally and emotionally flat. which i don't feel because im ANGRY and SAD at how dreamlike and unreal things seem, despite proper medication, perfect blood tests and people telling me i look fine. i can't take this anymore. im a tough person from a tough military family but i have my limits. im not suicidal but this is EXTREMELY distrurbing!! please someone...give me some diagnosis to obsess on...please....

ps im sure someone here has seen the movie "Numb" with matthew perry? its almost exactly like that, except i 1) never smoked pot ever and 2) it doesn't go away even when i feel strong emotions.

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i can't dissacociate or whatever if there's not pain to run from right? that's psychology.

It's a coping mechanism used to get away from an unbearable situation that you cannot physically escape from or mitigate. That does not have to involve physical pain, emotional abuse, or what pop psychology calls "pain"

This:

i can't take this anymore. im a tough person from a tough military family but i have my limits. im not suicidal but this is EXTREMELY distrurbing!! please someone...give me some diagnosis to obsess on...please....

is a fairly good description of a person with no other coping mechanisms left except to dissociate - disengaging the mind to prevent further damage.

Since this is being discussed under "sleep disorders" (damned few of which would show up on a blood test or general physical, and none of hwich are helped by "toughing it out") I'll point out that a brain can be so starved for useful, restful sleep, that it's not going to process much of anything right. Irritability, derealization, and the like are par for the course.

As far as central sleep apnea goes - I'll agree with Silver and Medline that CNS depressants are your worse treatment choice, followed by weed. I suspect that Remeron isn't helping either. While it may seem counterintuitive to someone trying to sell you on a CPAP, modafinil may actually help by preventing you from falling so deeply asleep that you stop breathing. Theophylline is also used in some cases of central sleep apnea.

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i can't dissacociate or whatever if there's not pain to run from right? that's psychology.

It's a coping mechanism used to get away from an unbearable situation that you cannot physically escape from or mitigate. That does not have to involve physical pain, emotional abuse, or what pop psychology calls "pain"

This:

i can't take this anymore. im a tough person from a tough military family but i have my limits. im not suicidal but this is EXTREMELY distrurbing!! please someone...give me some diagnosis to obsess on...please....

is a fairly good description of a person with no other coping mechanisms left except to dissociate - disengaging the mind to prevent further damage.

Since this is being discussed under "sleep disorders" (damned few of which would show up on a blood test or general physical, and none of hwich are helped by "toughing it out") I'll point out that a brain can be so starved for useful, restful sleep, that it's not going to process much of anything right. Irritability, derealization, and the like are par for the course.

As far as central sleep apnea goes - I'll agree with Silver and [link=http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003997.htm" target="_blank]Medline[/link] that CNS depressants are your worse treatment choice, followed by weed. I suspect that Remeron isn't helping either. While it may seem counterintuitive to someone trying to sell you on a CPAP, [link=http://www.healthline.com/channel/central-sleep-apnea_drugs" target="_blank]modafinil[/link] may actually help by preventing you from falling so deeply asleep that you stop breathing. Theophylline is also used in some cases of central sleep apnea.

yeah i posted it elsewhere before i started to dissacociate or whatever i was CONSTANTLY tired and sleepy during the day even afer a full 10 hours...or more! i tried to tape mysef sleeping but i can't slee without a fan so thats about all the recorder picked up. im gonna see a doctor (for a second opinion) and then get a sleep test done. ive been told i snore, but i didn't think it can fuck you up SO much! i have grandpas and uncles who do...i dunno maybe certain people are sensitive to it. guess i have to keep toughing it out til then (eye twitch) and just hiiiiiiiide those serial killer thoughts...sigh.

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i managed to get in a cat nap today and it felt good, but i felt like i was in limbo, never completely fell asleep. man this is driving me crazy...will i have to live like this forever? half dreaming half awake?

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Talk to your neuro about the necessary follow up when you see her this week. Since you haven't seen neuro yet for the FIRST opinion, it may be a little early to work on the second opinion, eh?

Neurologists, in my experience, are hip to sleep disorders; the sleep clinics in my area are usually run by neurologists and EENT together.

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Talk to your neuro about the necessary follow up when you see her this week. Since you haven't seen neuro yet for the FIRST opinion, it may be a little early to work on the second opinion, eh?

Neurologists, in my experience, are hip to sleep disorders; the sleep clinics in my area are usually run by neurologists and EENT together.

well i had a seizures study back in 2007! and a sleep induced one. its interesting that the sleep induced EEG is the one that raised suspicion not the 24 hour one. i feel like dr. house here...i guess it's all up to me now. i now have a messiah complex to cure myself and i believe i know the answer, a sleep disorder that isn't cured by hypnotics or sleep pills or anything. i bet my psychiatrist will be like...well i don't know i stopped trusting him since he gave me cymbalta which made me suicidal. ANYWAYS...what are your guys experience with what i'm going through? like going from one negative diagnosis to another trying to find out whats wrong? or at least your experience with the sleep study.

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Sleep-deprived EEGs (in which one then falls asleep) are generally preferred; you get all kinds of neurologic interestingness during sleep that you don't find easily during waking times with all the other 'static.'

It's not a messiah complex to want to cure yourself. That's called "being human, wanting to get better, and being frustrated." It's OK to be frustrated. So this is a great opportunity to work on your distress tolerance! You get to build skills! That's good!

Feeling bad is not an emergency.

Feeling upset is not an emergency.

If this doesn't get sorted out RIGHT NOW THIS MINUTE... your world will continue on. So - one foot in front of the other. Stop getting all twizzled up in the drama of it all, because that becomes a rush of its own, and it's one that I respect, but it's not helping your sleep or your mental health.

Keep your followup appointments.

As with many things in life, you're going to have to address this thing one step at a time. Sometimes things just pace themselves out. The part of this that you can control is your reaction - and so... pacing becomes a thing that you can address at your end.

This sounds so incredibly patronizing, and it's not intended that way, but I just don't have it in me to reword it right now. Sorry. It's just the way I see it.

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the reason i get so anxious is because of how i feel. this slow, dimwitted, tired, half awake feeling all day every day is just maddenning. and before when i thought i found the cure (lack of a vitamin, i'd rush to meijer...inner ear problem, wait day in day out for appointment) i'd get super excited and the world would seem a better place, till it did nothing. i guess certain people, the judgemental analytical types, i believe when they go to hell it's just them and they're thoughts, with no way of expressing how they feel. trapped. i guess i sometimes feel like i've gone to hell because that's my personality type and i do feel like i'm repeating this hellish existence every day, like in groundhog's day. i salute god, for making the perfect punishment for me!!

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i don't know if anyone knows what it's like to constantly feel spaced out, for me im just always embaressed im gonna make myself look stupid, or somehow say something to make someone mad and get in a fight with me. i hate feeling spaced out all the time. i hope this turns out to be the solution. otherwhise im gonna have to quit my job.

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all right! im signed up for a sleep study and will answers at the end of the month! turns out i might have narcolepsy! but i don't randomly fall asleep and shit...at least i don't remember it! all i know is i have an answer to this constant day dream i live! yayyyyyyyyy!!

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To deteremine if you have it, you'll need to get a doctor to order a sleep study for you.

Hi,

how the sleep study is done ?

Thank you

that doesn't make sense you mean how is it done? they hook up electrodes to you and watch you sleep. My guess was sleep apnea or something but he thinks narcolepsy...which all in all, sounds retarded. but i am so tired and mentally...i want to say crazy but ever since i was hospitlized thats an iffy word...i guess never ending brain strain. or perpetually half awake. i dunno... ;) (cries)

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Sorry but what is the difference between "how the sleep study is done ?" or "How is it done ?" ???

Anyway, this is something I wouldnt be able to do. I guess Ill never know if I have sleep apnea or not.

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What happened when you saw neuro?

As to your PM questions re: sleep study:

They will incorporate an EEG into your sleep. It will look for sleep related seizure activity.

The polysomnogram will monitor for sleep-related motor changes - sleep-related movement disorders, for example, or sleep-related behavior disorder.

They will monitor for apnea.

They will see how your sleep architecture looks and how fragmented your sleep is, how much REM you actually get, alpha-wave intrusion, that sort of thing.

I think sleep studies are quite nifty. If you're this concerned, why not do it?

Sometimes one of the big issues is sleep state misperception, in which anxiety related to sleep is magnifying the perception of an existing sleep disorder. That would be valuable to know as well.

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i was just reading this book about insomnia and thats what i have, at least its the closest thing without blaming my personality on my problems. there's sleep apnea only if you have high blood pressure right? mine is low to normal. i feel so caught up in my thoughts i don't know what to believe. i just wish i got PHYSICALLY tired instead of just mentally. my body is always in hyperdrive. god i just wish this wasn't all my FAULT. it can't be, if all my problems were related to my mood or behavior, the 3 years of therapy and medication would have made this detatchment go away. i know what derealization from stress and anxiety is, and i'm very good at enduring pain, so i don't mention it unless i't's something else. sleep deprivation truly is the most terrible form of torture...

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someone please i don't know what to tell people anymore! i feel stoned, drunk, mentally dead...thought physically i look fine! why do i feel this way?

who dxed you with histrionic PD? was it a therapist?

he never said what personality disorder to be honest because he knew im a hypocondriac and would obsess on it until i became the disorder...but i kinda guessed from what he said that i "crave attention" or some bullshit. and this was years ago too...like i was 16.

but about the symptoms its becoming more clear to me that they match those of people who are constantly sleep deprived. but it doesn't make sense. once i go to sleep im fine. just wake up once in a while to piss, you know. rarely i'll wake myself up from talking. i do that more than snore, my friends have said. and when i wake up, i feel...unless i worked out the day before, and its getting harder to do that feeling this way...i feel physically tense and jumpy, and start the day again in this hellish, half awake half asleep feeling. like a drunken haze. but i've never been drunk or high! i've always been afraid becausei've felt like this for so long i figured if i got drunk i'd be so far gone in my thoughts that i'd become schizophrenic or something. so long story short...i think since i was born i've trained myself to ignore, physically, being sleepy and it manifests, if i can be scientific, into psychological and other problems thate aren't caused by anything else, no matter how hard i look.

as a side note, i'd like to share something i read in this book, Insomniac. She said that insomnia can be the result of a certain predisposed neurotic personality, or it can in itself cause it. but what all sufferers will agree is that it opens your mind and creates a kind of philosopher in all sufferers, a constant noise and wondering in the head that never stops because you yourself don't. it's something i understand very well. and it's very different but also the same as when i was hospitilized 2 years ago. i told them i felt detatched and paranoid and couldn't stop myself from thinking...but i only felt dangerous from the effexor. without it, i'm just lost in my thoughts, either way, tired but unaware. i'm so glad i know what's caused me suffering but now, in my 19 year old head, cliches and philosophies and archetypes have to be gone with...my only goals are to be in reality as much as possible. to get paid, and get laid. to overcome the christian in me which will inevitiably hold me back. i think...fuck i think too much. i'll look at this later and be like WTF...but i think this is my subconscious speaking and i'm always embaressed by what i really feel. THATS my goal, to overcome the shame i feel of myself and how much i fucking hate myself. specially my voice i always wonder why it sounds so crusty and stupid. oh well...i hope you guys had fun reading this because chances are im gonna try and delete this when i wake up. its 1 am right now...

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Why do you think it is bullshit to crave attention?

because i end up getting more than i bargained for you could say. put in the spotlight and stuff and people you THOUGHT you trusted end up interrogating you and making you look like an ass. i think when your constantly disconnected you need someone to help you feel awake.

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btw quick question, if i have sleep apnea, would i know? besides being drowzy during the day, which i am, don't you have to have high blood pressure? mine is normal and again, im pretty normal sized.

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btw quick question, if i have sleep apnea, would i know? besides being drowzy during the day, which i am, don't you have to have high blood pressure? mine is normal and again, im pretty normal sized.

I think you would need to go through a sleep study. There could be any number of normal processes preventing your blood pressure from being jacked up by apnea.

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I'm a little confused about something here. Your memory of/experience of sleep is pretty normal, right? You son't have significant trouble falling or staying asleep, right? So, insomnia's pretty clearly not the issue. At least, as I've always understood it, insomnia means difficulty either falling or staying asleep, not daytime sleepiness. I'm also wondering why you're so convinced this is a sleep issue? You're not aware of any sleep problems. Daytime fatigue can come from any number of things, including depression, or med side effects.

I'm also confused as to what your dx is? I could swear that at some point you'd said you were bipolar, but I don't see that listed in your sig.. Curious, too, about your statement that you're on the right meds, when you're still feeling pretty crappy. If this fatigue began after you started luvox, then maybe it's a side effect. If it predated luvox, then maybe the luvox isn't working all that well. Either way, maybe it's time to try a different AD. Have you tried anything like provigil, to treat the sleepiness, and help you function better, while you're looking for the cause?

What does your GP suspect as the cause?

Can't wait to hear how the sleep study goes! I've always vaguely wanted one, even though my sleep problem is pretty straightforward insomnia.

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Apnea is not just for fat, middle aged men anymore.

I think we just found our new slogan for sleep apnea, folks!

ROFL!! haha...and i hope so too...i swear i feel so tired and mentally slowed. people always ask if i'm high i'm like "NO GODDAMMIT!!" then i get social anxiety because i start to predict people asking me if im high, even if they don't...but i wonder if this is my problem? i know sleep deprivation causes problems. and i never understood why i was always sleepy during the day specially since i have no tonsils. anyone have any idea how i can hold myself together until the study?

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I'm a little confused about something here. Your memory of/experience of sleep is pretty normal, right? You son't have significant trouble falling or staying asleep, right? So, insomnia's pretty clearly not the issue. At least, as I've always understood it, insomnia means difficulty either falling or staying asleep, not daytime sleepiness. I'm also wondering why you're so convinced this is a sleep issue? You're not aware of any sleep problems. Daytime fatigue can come from any number of things, including depression, or med side effects.

I'm also confused as to what your dx is? I could swear that at some point you'd said you were bipolar, but I don't see that listed in your sig.. Curious, too, about your statement that you're on the right meds, when you're still feeling pretty crappy. If this fatigue began after you started luvox, then maybe it's a side effect. If it predated luvox, then maybe the luvox isn't working all that well. Either way, maybe it's time to try a different AD. Have you tried anything like provigil, to treat the sleepiness, and help you function better, while you're looking for the cause?

What does your GP suspect as the cause?

Can't wait to hear how the sleep study goes! I've always vaguely wanted one, even though my sleep problem is pretty straightforward insomnia.

Well my diagnosis apparently is bipolar but i don't believe it neither does my therapist she thinks i just have a severe cause of most anxiety disorders. i've been on every medication ever made, except luvox and prozac. i can't remember any helping besides effexor and cymbalta which made me suicidal. i'm pretty much not emotional about any of the experiences i had while depressed because, like now, i was also always half awake feeling. which...is why i was put on antipsychotics, which was one of the scariest drug experiences i've ever had. not only did i already feel unreal and half there, but the antipsychotic...i forgot the name, not seroquel but something else, it made me feel so tired i could sleep, but couldn't because of the side effect of effexor. it was fucking limbo and it doesn't help when you weren't PSYCHO TO BEGIN WITH!!!!

i really wish i had the patience to tell about everything i've tried for this. eating right, avoiding foods i thought i could be allergic too, megavitamins, neurofeedback, chiropractors, eye doctors, eye disease doctors...getting my fillings replaced. i'm so embaressed but this quest i was on, i felt really strongly about it because i knew if i didn't find a way to stop feeling this way it'd end with me shooting myself. it really is that chronic. i know it sounds hard to understand, but when you feel this way all the time, even when your physically close to someone, you never feel your WITH them. it didn't matter if i became a druggy because i'd feel the same or worse plus my parents would kick me out and i'd feel shitty and out on the streets. im not even that bad off i just have this terrible, tired and detatched feeling that nothing has helped with. i thought i had celiac disease. wouldn't i of noticed it? i could write hundreds of poems about how i feel. all i want is reality. im tired of daydreaming my life. i'm tired of being unable to handle unpredictable things, of being flinchy, of not learning from my mistakes. these are teenage things i know but the way i feel i've described to my friends and family and i get a "poor kid must be doin drugs" look or the honest ones are like "i dunno whats wrong, dude. maybe your depressed".

that leads me to one more thing i really have to boast about, sorry. I want to say i'm by nature an optimist. i am so glad i come from tough southern people who are a little odd but are not overly emotional or depressed. no suicides in the family that i know of. my weakness, probably for th rest of my life is how much i worry. i don't think anyone here would want my brain...if you coud have it i'd give it to you. but i need to say i work out, eat right and for the most part (cept tonight im up at 3 am) i have a pretty regular sleep routine. im NOT depressed, but i am starting to feel hopeless about this feeling, which makes me anxious.

sorry that was long.

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I'm still a little confused. Sorry, I've got med changes going on, & am definitely not at my best and brightest. If your pdoc thinks you're bipolar, why haven't you ever tried any mood stabilizers, esp. given the poor results you've gotten from antidepressants?

Have you scheduled a sleep study yet?

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I'm still a little confused. Sorry, I've got med changes going on, & am definitely not at my best and brightest. If your pdoc thinks you're bipolar, why haven't you ever tried any mood stabilizers, esp. given the poor results you've gotten from antidepressants?

Have you scheduled a sleep study yet?

i was on lamictal for 4 months last year, or5 ithink months, and to be perfectly honest, ifelt the same as how i do now. the only one that was weird i think it was called neurontin or topamax...one made me break out in rash. i was like WTF?! i know i'm not hallucinating! but yeah my psychiatrist has i think given up because nothing even clonpin helps this weird unreal and sleepy feeling i have all the time. actually last year is when i gave up, before him, and started on researching causes of my problems. i guess when youtired you overlook the obvious. i get my sleep study next week bt i have to have a follow up with the sleep doctor which is kinda dumb IMO i should get the results when i wake up...oh well.

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...i have to have a follow up with the sleep doctor which is kinda dumb IMO i should get the results when i wake up...oh well.

They have to have time to analyze the results and stuff and compare your activity to your history and have the doctor look over it as opposed to just the technicians.

RE: tonsils.

I had my tonsils and adenoids taken out and I still have sleep apnea. I also have low blood pressure. So it can be for different reasons and in different people.

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probably too obvious to have not already been checked...but thyroid issues at all?

sigh...lol...yep done that already...its 2. something. perfect. and lufarina that's interesting i had my tonsils out, not too sure what adenoids are so i must still have them. thats weird you'd still have it but that could be my problem. i can't wait to feel awake! i work out and don't even do drugs but still feel tired all the time. and i'm really gullible which is probably why i believed i had borderline personality disorder last year. and other shit. i've done so much introspection to find the cause. too bad my body can't introspect and find tumors and stuff that'd be suweet. like i've heard your body's cells have a collective memory, like muscle memory or something bizarre, at least that's what scientists have said about having a soul...or out of body experiences i mean.

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the thing i'm wondering about is everything. i can state that i don't know the difference between day dreaming and worrying because either way, i'm anxious. and i can't tell if i'm manic, but ive had therapy for so long i can usually ground myself. can you be predispoded to worrying at such a degree that you don't believe your own thoughts because of self esteem issues, or whatever, and only believe other sources because yours is a constant, flowing and nervous train of thought? like my aunts frequently complain of having some random illness then it'll turn out to be true. i don't know. my mom actually suggested i read up on sjorgens disease. 90% of those people who have it are women. plus i had a thyroid blood test, and SOOO many other tests done it'll blow your fucking mind. i doubt i have that, im a 19 year old guy for crying out loud.

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i need to know, can living in a constant state of drowziness and restlessness, along with an already overactive imagination and anxiety, mimic mental illness? cause im starting to think the answer to my problems are simpler than i could think.

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