tryp Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 [link=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29779272/" target="_blank]This one[/link] They did this small scale study showing that MDMA helps PTSD patients with stuff like trust and emotional regulation. I thought it was really interesting that they mention that one of the most beneficial effects would be to help patients trust their therapists more easily and form a good therapeutic relationship. I would think that would make it especially applicable to CPTSD. I've read a great deal of journal articles on PTSD, and even though I've always had a suspicion that I find it disproportionately hard to trust therapists, I've never really seen that documented, so I was really interested that the article mentioned it. Although...I have to say that the process of learning to trust my therapist has been one of the most healing parts of therapy. I'm not convinced that chemically making it easier would have been a help in the long run, even though things were hell for about six solid months. I wouldn't want to bombard everyone with news articles or anything - I just thought this one was pretty cool, especially since PTSD is my diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nalgas Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm amazed how this manages to come up every year or two and still be "news" every time. There have been small-scale studies going on showing this for a while now, and yet everyone (media, general public, researchers, people funding stuff or deciding who's allowed to do what kind of research with which controlled substances) either doesn't notice or forgets, and they seem to have trouble extending their studies/research anywhere beyond things like this one. There's been some other stuff, like psilocybin for OCD, which has been in a similar sort of limbo for a while, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob-leech Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Not surprising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 I think that's really neat. Damn, now I want some. Anything to ease the pain of interacting with other people Maybe this isn't a revelation to other people - I guess I'm just not up on my recreational substances 0.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Elvis Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 If it makes you feel any better, I think it can cause Alzheimers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatty Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Yeah, it sure can make you trust your therapist. There could be some awkwardness after the fact, even with a therapist you already trust. I do think I read that one tablet is akin to 5 years of therapy. I did take it with my SO when we went through something so horrific I haven't told anybody about it except him. We did get a lot accomplished. It's just so many people are going to take it recreationally, and be having sex or kissing everyone at the party. That can have really uncomfortable after effects. So they regulate it so tightly, that many people who could really benefit will never have access to it. Veterans come to mind. It's that intense a drug, and not one to be used casually. I know this is a bit off topic, but I think it really does have a place in therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nalgas Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Veterans come to mind. Speaking of whom, some of the studies I've seen that have been done were specifically with groups of veterans and found that it did help some of them through the therapy to cope with some of the stuff they'd seen/been through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Century Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 the first time i did e i spent the time working through my friend's childhood abuse with her. i have no idea if it helped her or not, but that was the one and only time i've ever heard her talk about it, let alone even hint that it happened. did it help her? no idea... but i'm also not a therapist. maybe if i was it would have helped her. i don't think the experience cured her of anything. for me, all e does is make me really fucking depressed for about a week after wards and brain dead. unless done correctly (and i have no guide book for this) it can cause actual physical brain damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelikejazz Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I heard about this when I did a drugs course at uni. I think theres a few different recreational drugs being used for things, but it's only more recently they are again allowed to use them in trials. My lecturer seemed to blame Timothy Leary and President Nixon for everything, FWIW I don't know crap about recreational drugs, but like PC said i've heard of E making people really depressed afterward. Maybe then it would be more useful for say veterans with more anxiety issues than depression? Thanks for posting the study. I hope they are allowed to research this stuff further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nalgas Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I hope they are allowed to research this stuff further. That's what places like MAPS have been working on, figuring out how to get approval from the FDA and whoever else is needed and where to get funding from. I think they were the ones who got the initial PTSD studies going a few years back, along with the OCD stuff I mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moriah Conquering Wind Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 From the MAPS site: Can you imagine a cultural reintegration of the use of psychedelics and the states of mind they engender? Wow. That would be amazing. Imagine apocalyptic "spiritual emergence-y" recognized for what it actually consists instead of being blown off as a psychotic break, for starters. And then handled appropriately by compassionate, caring, intelligent and EXPERIENCED people with knowledge of how to properly integrate these experiences from the beginning (whether induced by psychedelics or just spontaneous) without taking "sides", so to speak, or favoring one theological or mystical or magickal system over another. Working within the framework of Jungian archetypes and the qabalistic tree of life comes to mind, particularly if those offering integrative assistance services to others can devise a failsafe method of defusing hostilities and suspicions which have resulted from spiritual trauma and/or subtle cultic in-group programming. That would be awesome. Moriah could easily see having a career in such a field. Imagine, a world where Moriah could make a positive contribution WITHOUT having to sacrifice its native talents, unique identity, and destiny to become a soulless faceless cog in a vast machine it has no desire to serve in the first place, simply to generate income. Well, makes a nice fantasy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob-leech Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Maybe then it would be more useful for say veterans with more anxiety issues than depression? PTSD is an anxiety disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 Maybe then it would be more useful for say veterans with more anxiety issues than depression? PTSD is an anxiety disorder. PTSD is an anxiety disorder, but it frequently presents with depression. My pdoc says "depression can be a part of PTSD" and I've definitely found it to be so. Also, the Category C DSM criteria for the diagnosis of PTSD has some overlap with symptoms of depression. I suspect that what Blue means is that it might be better for people whose PTSD is pure anxiety or mostly anxiety, without the significant depression issues that a lot of us have. I don't know if that exists, but it probably does somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelikejazz Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yes, I meant that maybe MDMA would be contradicted in people with comorbid PTSD and depression, because as wikpedia says: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 That's interesting, Blue. Seems like PTSD and MDD is a sort of chicken or egg question as to which predates which. But that explains a lot about my psych squirrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest harvard1422 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I'm curious whether any experts on here have any scientific or anecdotal info they've come across about using MDMA to lessen narcissitic personality (NPD) symptoms. I know I am a n00b but I disagree with the above thread. MDMA is powerful but so are amphetamines and oxycodone. Research has shown this drug can be used properly to help certain disorders. The reason why people have problems (depression) on this drug is because of abuse or inproper use (excess re-dosing) My experience using MDMA over 20 times in the past 2 years is that it lessened my NPD symptoms a lot by giving me empathy for other people. It also helped me connect the dots with regard to issues that happened during childhood. Many of the pro-therapeutic effects did not happen right away. In the days after the trip, the MDMA sort of opened up a road map to my pathology in a way that therapists never could. I have read all the studies from the 1980's as well as the current studies on MAPS.ORG and they are all related to couples therapy, PTSD or end of life therapy. Anyone have any resources when it comes to NPD & MDMA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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