Duelist Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Either way, I keep hearing footsteps or monotone talking as I am about to doze off and it usually will jar me to full alertness. It's really strange and I don't recall this happening before trazadone, and I am scared to talk about it with the dr's as I kinda think it's crazy to be hearing things that aren't there. But with it being right as I am dozing off, or as I am laying down and hearing footsteps on CARPET no less, but it sets off my human radar-you know that feeling you get when you are approached by someone else? I get it when I hear the steps get closer to my room. So is it trazadone related or is it something else? What are your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Hey, Well, I can't speak to Traz specifically, but have you ever heard of hypnogogic hallucinations? They're hallucinations that you have exclusively while falling asleep. Apparently they're completely normal and not a sign of anything pathological. I have them too - I hear voices sometimes, and I've also been known to see things. I've never been on Traz, but I am on Seroquel for sleep, and I've only been hallucinating since being on the Seroquel - I never had it before the Seroquel. Although Traz and Seroquel are different meds, I still would bet that the hallucinations are connected to the Traz and are nothing to worry about. That said, if they're worrying you, it's always worth mentioning to a pdoc, and if you start seeing or hearing things while fully awake, it's definitely worth mentioning. Tryp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raquin Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I was about to mention the same thing as Tryp, only I know them as 'Night Terrors'. I get them on and off. Right now I'm going through a period of having them a lot. It could definitely be the Trazadone, or you could just be going through a period of having them. Someone once told me that they can also be related to stress, but I don't know if that's true or not. If you're getting them while you're drifting off to sleep, I'm betting it's what Tryp says/Night Terrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 It's like after I lay down and within five minutes I hear footsteps, now it's funny you mention the drug seroquel, I was on that earlier this year and this very well may have started then, I am convinced the change from abilify to seroquel due to having to do a med trial and failure to prove to insurance that I needed abilify, brought on perimenapause so why not this weirdness? Maybe it is night terrors too, who knows? I thought it was perfectly normal to hear stuff when drifting off, but what concerns me is that I am still semi-alert when it's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMarshall Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 If it happens while you are falling asleep or waking up, it in all probability is called either Hypnogogic or Hypnopompic "hallucinations". They are completley normal and extemely common among the normal population. They are NOT psychotic hallucinations, and pdoc's do not count them against' you or have any interest in them. They are a result of the brain mind not making a clean break bewteen sleep and wakefulness. We have this question come up about every five weeks. Wikipedia has a good article on Hypnopompic hallucinations. Many crazymeds increase vividness of dreams. Seroquel often gets mentioned here. Now that you know what they are, hopefully this will ease your concern. p.s. "Sleep Paralysis" is similar but occurs later in the sleep cycle, and is the probable source of myths like secubus and alien abductions. "wakeful dreaming" is an apt description for all this. I often hear "pops" which get incorporated into my dreams as gunshots, explosions or similar. I often recognize them now as 'time to wake up". a.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowen Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I get both hypnogogic hallucinations and night terrors. They're a bit different. I get night terrors when stressed out, depressed, or when doing med changes. Night terrors occur at stage 3/4 sleep, and hypnogogic hallucinations occur at stage 1 sleep. You're not actually awake (it's a parasomnia, like sleep walking), and there's a period of amnesia some where in there. Some people remember a hallucination (visual usually) during an episode. I don't remember a damn thing, personally. I didn't know I had them until my husband told me. There would be mornings where I would feel panicky when waking up, and on those same mornings my husband would say that I had "woken up screaming" the night before. I'm able to guess when I have a night terror based on the panicky feeling. So that's where those bruises on my legs came from... The hypnogogic hallucinations I get seem to occur more when I am extremely tired when going to sleep (like after taking sleep meds). I tend to hear screaming. Good times. And I am semi-alert when I get the hypnogogic hallucinations - sometimes I don't realize that I'm asleep. Your doc isn't going to think anything of you telling him/her this. I would mention it just for informational purposes. My pdoc likes to write every single side effect I get from meds down in my chart. Even headaches. Maybe yours does too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Maybe, I think the t-doc and p-doc both would like to know so maybe I CAN be comfortable telling them. I really appreciate everyone's replies I feel much better about this and am delighted to report the auditory hallucinations did not occur last night because my CPAP machine drowned them out! HURRAY! No more feety steps to throw me back into alertness. I was just worried it was something to do with my bipolar II disorder and that it meant I was getting worse somehow. Since it happens only as I am falling asleep I can rest easier now after reading your replies that that is NOT the case. Thank you sll for caring and replying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.mcmurphy Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 my life has seen nothing that equals night terrors and the hallucinations that come during certain p-meds sleep. up and out of the bed, all and any caffeine to be found, down the throat. if i had a genie lamp i would ask that not another moonbat suffer the fucking things ever. can not take most crazymeds because of the night time horrors caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Wow, it sounds like you've been through some serious hell. I hope things are better for you now, judging from your siggy it sounds like they are. I Hope that I can get back to using my cpap again, I've gone two nights without using it and feel crappy again. I used it a few nights ago for a few hours and woke up feeling great. I just hate wearing the mask.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 OMG I had a seriously frightening night terror last night! I think I was asleep because I couldn't move, it's like it took me everything I had to move after about two minutes! I heard a dog in the house, the distinct tag jingling on the collar and it was in the living room. THen I felt something touching my hair! I tried to scream thinking I was awake but all I could get out was "argh" and that freaked me out. Even now I am still not 100% certain if I was awake or asleep. I was almost in tears when I finally was able to move, my heart was racing and I got up and went straight to my lorazepam. I have never been so freaked out and panicky in all my life! And yes I still heard foot steps, and the monotone talking, it was really frightening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 That sounds terrifying. I've never had it THAT bad on Seroquel - never had anything really scary, just annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 I really freaked tryp, I've never been so freaked in my life. I am really afraid to go to bed tonight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 That must have been really scary. Can you call your pdoc and ask what to do? If you're terrified to sleep, that's a problem worth calling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkendHour Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 I agree with Tryp, call your doc. Lack of sleep can have its own set of problems that I'm sure you don't want to deal with, so talking to your doc and figuring out what to do/how to ease your mind is really a good idea. I hope you are able to sleep tonight with out anything scary going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 I will call if it happens again. I decided on that, last night might have just been a fluke, I woke up paralyzed with fear and when I laid down after the pill I don't remember what happened, I ignored everything. I was so frightened, I knew I wasn't alone but it didn't help. If I can't sleep tonight and have this happen again I am definitely calling the pdoc tomorrow. Thanks for the emotional support tryp & DarkenedHour. I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Good to know that you'll call tomorrow if it happens again I hope you get some good sleep tonight, and no more terrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 Thanks tryp. I hope so too. But if not I know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thankfully it did NOT happen again. Normal night last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'm so glad I'd still report it to pdoc next time you see him/her, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 I definitely will, just don't see her until august. But it's not that far away. I see my therapist Tuesday and will mention it to her then and see what she thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkendHour Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I would call your pdoc and let them know about it before your next visit. That way at least they know about it. If your pdoc is worried they might bump up your visit to a sooner time. I'm glad you got to sleep last night!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 My Pdoc works at the same center as my Tdoc so I will be bringing it up to her and ask if we can let the pdoc know about it. Thanks for caring tryp & DarkenedHour, its so nice to know I have people to advise me on something as serious as this subject. I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayteana Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I don't know how I missed this thread. Most of this was already stated - I'm just putting it in one spot. _____________________________________________________ Hypnagogic hallucinations can occur as one is falling asleep. Hypnopompic hallucinations occur when one is waking up. Nightmares generally occur during REM sleep (when one is most likely to be dreaming). The dream will be about something frightening that the person will recall upon waking. Night Terrors occur during stage 3 sleep, with the most recognizable feature being that the person is usually awakened suddenly with a feeling of fear or terror and no clear memory of what caused it. Sleep paralysis is a form of paralysis that occurs when a person suddenly finds himself or herself unable to move for a few minutes, most often upon falling asleep or waking up. Sleep paralysis is due to an ill-timed disconnection between the brain and the body. It's usually seen as the person is going in or out of REM sleep. ______________________________________________________ On their own - these events are generally harmless. The worst damage they do is the anxiety felt by the person experiencing them. However, Happy Duelist - not only are you describing a few of these but trazadone and a CPAP machine are also thrown into the mix. Is the pdoc giving you the trazodone and a sleep doc gave you the CPAP machine? If so, do they know about each other? Yes, please speak to who ever gave you the trazodone and please speak to whoever is treating you for the sleep disorder (which I assume is some form of apnea) that you have the CPAP machine for. Between the med, the mask, and some kind of sleep disorder - there are multiple possible reasons for what you're experiencing lately. Any of which reasons should be brought to the doctor(s) attention. Soon. Be it physical or mental that's causing this, you need to sleep. Not sleeping makes MI that much worse, and if I recall correctly you already have enough stress in your life. ~ May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 I don't know how I missed this thread. Most of this was already stated - I'm just putting it in one spot. Thanks May! _____________________________________________________ Hypnagogic hallucinations can occur as one is falling asleep. Hypnopompic hallucinations occur when one is waking up. Nightmares generally occur during REM sleep (when one is most likely to be dreaming). The dream will be about something frightening that the person will recall upon waking. Night Terrors occur during stage 3 sleep, with the most recognizable feature being that the person is usually awakened suddenly with a feeling of fear or terror and no clear memory of what caused it. Sleep paralysis is a form of paralysis that occurs when a person suddenly finds himself or herself unable to move for a few minutes, most often upon falling asleep or waking up. Sleep paralysis is due to an ill-timed disconnection between the brain and the body. It's usually seen as the person is going in or out of REM sleep. ______________________________________________________ On their own - these events are generally harmless. The worst damage they do is the anxiety felt by the person experiencing them. However, Happy Duelist - not only are you describing a few of these but trazadone and a CPAP machine are also thrown into the mix. Is the pdoc giving you the trazodone and a sleep doc gave you the CPAP machine? If so, do they know about each other? I think the Pdoc knows, I am sure I gave it included on my medical history, she basically picked up writing for the scripts I was stable on that my prescribing tdoc who left town to move her practice in December had me on and she definitely knew about it. I have Obstructed Sleep Apnea but only on my back, the tech said for two hours I never stopped breathing once, and that was when I switched to my back and the apnea began. Yes, please speak to who ever gave you the trazodone and please speak to whoever is treating you for the sleep disorder (which I assume is some form of apnea) that you have the CPAP machine for. Between the med, the mask, and some kind of sleep disorder - there are multiple possible reasons for what you're experiencing lately. Any of which reasons should be brought to the doctor(s) attention. Soon. Be it physical or mental that's causing this, you need to sleep. Not sleeping makes MI that much worse, and if I recall correctly you already have enough stress in your life. ~ May Your post makes me want to use the mask more religiously. Thanks for sharing your thoughts May. I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayteana Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Your post makes me want to use the mask more religiously. Thanks for sharing your thoughts May. I really appreciate it. Ah, and we get another piece to this puzzle. Do give the mask another shot if you can, I can't stress enough how much happier the body is when it can breathe all through the night! One mention you give of using your CPAP, the hum of it seemed to help calm you so you could get to sleep. I know the mask is annoying as all get out (let's be honest). Though perhaps using it regularly enough to get used to it could end up less annoying then hearing things, or being jerked awake by an apnea? ~ May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duelist Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Your post makes me want to use the mask more religiously. Thanks for sharing your thoughts May. I really appreciate it. Ah, and we get another piece to this puzzle. Do give the mask another shot if you can, I can't stress enough how much happier the body is when it can breathe all through the night! One mention you give of using your CPAP, the hum of it seemed to help calm you so you could get to sleep. I know the mask is annoying as all get out (let's be honest). Though perhaps using it regularly enough to get used to it could end up less annoying then hearing things, or being jerked awake by an apnea? ~ May It's worth a shot! Thanks May! I'll definitely use it tonight and make myself use it over the weekend and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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