h3llo Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 if i take a sleeping pill tonight won't it go against the "norm" of my body? like, if im not tired but take a sleeping pill, i'd just be tricking my body into being sleepy, but not naturally. i want to get back into a normal sleep pattern too. i went to a sleep doctor who diagnosed me with "idiopathic hypersomnia" and i should be gettin another sleep test soon, without any antidepressants which could interfere with my sleep quality. i want to sleep very badly, because i sort of have noticed that whatever i thought was wrong with me, or if i thought i was right, i was still napping during the day, or staying up until 3 am waking up with a hangover effect...i mean it goes way back. besides my state of mind, which isn't too good (insomnia sucks) im very constipated and always feel im going to get in a fight with someone but try and hold it back, and the worst worst part, the brain fog/derealization that makes life seem deja vu all the time. i know it would all go away if i felt that ever absent feeling of being sleepy at night. instead today i started feeling it around 2pm. i awoke at 9am, i am trying to adjust my bed and wake time so i start to get tired at a normal time. i have used ambien and remeron, but i can't help but feel im cheating my body. its midnight and i don't feel very tired, just physically tired...and i've been up fora long time! whatever...how do you guys deal? i forgot to mention im keeping myself up in the morning with monster energy drinks (they are much better than red bull. im not an energy drink man but it helps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I take the sleeping pills, personally, but my sleep problems are very different from yours. Just popped in to say hi. It's good to hear from you again - I was just wondering the other day how you were getting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 this website looks different...well i am too busy to complain, but i will say i woke up at 5 am and now can't go back to sleep because of a stomach ache/all around ache combo. i don't feel as "manic" or what you call it since trying this new sleep routine, but i have this weird headache, like my head is filled with air, all day. i should have this sleep study today but fucking work has me scheduled! i'm too nice to call in though, oh well they're gonna have to realize all i do is push carts, im not a manager or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graduation day Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well personally, I deal by taking the sleeping pills. I used to have this f**ked up sleeping cycle where my time awake would increase by one hour every 24h, so I would sleep later and later at night, then ealier and earlier. Now, with the pills I can at least have a normal daily routine. I can't understand from your post if you are currently taking the sleeping pills or just considering taking them. Either way, I think you should give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkendHour Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I take the med to sleep. It would be nice to be able to sleep on my own but I think just allowing myself to not sleep would be more cheating to body rather than taking the med. As far as taking meds to sleep and if thats cheating your body... would taking a blood pressure med be cheating your body? Some times our bodies just need help with doing what they are supposed to be doing. I hope your sleep test goes well and you find a routine, meds included or not, that works for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well personally, I deal by taking the sleeping pills. I used to have this f**ked up sleeping cycle where my time awake would increase by one hour every 24h, so I would sleep later and later at night, then ealier and earlier. Now, with the pills I can at least have a normal daily routine. I can't understand from your post if you are currently taking the sleeping pills or just considering taking them. Either way, I think you should give it a go. i do. like im constantly considering if i should, but you know with insomnia you end up overthinking so much that i might convince myself i don't need them...but if forcing myself to wake up at 9am, can help then forcing myself to sleep should help too....i almost got some good sleep, but it was right at 9am and if i fell back asleep id awake with hangover type headache and the entire day will be spent in this half awake, half asleep sort of thing. i have it today. it means today will suck ass. i forgot to mention (forgetting is something ive done lately) the sleep doctor when talking to me, asked me some questions, like "what medication are you taking?" i told him none, like he advised for the follow up test. then he mentioned i have bipolar disorder and asked if i ever had a manic episode at night. i didn't know what to say, i wasn't entirely sure myself so told him probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 to any people here with bipolar that are attempting a normal sleep routine, does it get any easier? I'm trying so hard to do this. but waking up at 8 or 9 every day without going back to sleep is a nightmare! i literally feel i am depriving myself of sleep. that's how it goes i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 i should of changed the topic to "FUCK ME" i'm so confused and angry why the fuck, even after 3 days of my new sleep schedule, and more importantly no naps, am i still waking up feeling like a piece of shit? its like my entire body is as tight wounded as it was when it fell asleep! which was around midnight. now it's 8am. i did take ambien but it can't fuck with you like this, i know i wikipedia EVERYTHING!!! for instance i have delayed sleep phase syndrome, like most guys my age (20) but...the thing is i feel incredibly exhausted and tired even after i get my normal and unnatural sleep! high school was this for me: 1am to 7am weekdays, zombie through classes, barely avoid getting into head on collisions (not always) then come home and nap. weekends were like 2am to noon, then i'd nap all day. now it's driving me crazy i want to control how tired and alert i am during the day. but fuck im discouraged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkendHour Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Maybe you should look into getting a sleep study done? You could be having a problem while sleeping that is causing you to feel this way... Just an idea. I'm sorry your having suck a hard time. Edit= sorry forgot you already had one... maybe you could just bump up the time of the next one your getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 i'll be so dissapointed if i don't have anything wrong. last time i took it, the results said 3 things: 1 is that i didn't have sleep apnea. 2 i don't have narcolepsy. 3 is that i had no REM sleep at all. the doctor suspected it was because of my antidepressant, luvox, but i think it's because i just couldn't sleep with someone watching me...so maybe it'll be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SashaSue Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 1) The main thing that has helped me with insomnia is mood stabilization, brought about by mood stabilizing medication. 2) The concept of a "manic episode" happening at night doesn't make tons of sense, unless you're some kind of ultra rapid cycler. 3) Three days isn't really a very long time. You're creating a situation in which, at least initially, you're getting less sleep than you had been, by eliminating naps and enforcing a wake up time. While the long term results of this regimen may be beneficial, it's no big surprise to me that you'd feel like crap at the outset. 4) You've been off your antidepressant for quite a while now, yet your sleep does not seem to have improved in any way, from what you post. Why would you expect there to be any significant differences in your sleep study results? I realize the dr. suggested your antidepressant might be a factor initially, but given the time that's passed without any unstudied sleep improvements, it just seems unlikely. And didn't your sleep problems predate your taking luvox? 5) Did the dr. at any point suggest what kind of interventions might be useful if the luvox did turn out to be a factor? If it didn't? If the latter, what about skipping the 2nd study, and trying those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 1) The main thing that has helped me with insomnia is mood stabilization, brought about by mood stabilizing medication. 2) The concept of a "manic episode" happening at night doesn't make tons of sense, unless you're some kind of ultra rapid cycler. 3) Three days isn't really a very long time. You're creating a situation in which, at least initially, you're getting less sleep than you had been, by eliminating naps and enforcing a wake up time. While the long term results of this regimen may be beneficial, it's no big surprise to me that you'd feel like crap at the outset. 4) You've been off your antidepressant for quite a while now, yet your sleep does not seem to have improved in any way, from what you post. Why would you expect there to be any significant differences in your sleep study results? I realize the dr. suggested your antidepressant might be a factor initially, but given the time that's passed without any unstudied sleep improvements, it just seems unlikely. And didn't your sleep problems predate your taking luvox? 5) Did the dr. at any point suggest what kind of interventions might be useful if the luvox did turn out to be a factor? If it didn't? If the latter, what about skipping the 2nd study, and trying those? the whole concept of me getting sleep for once in my life is what propelled me to get a sleep study, along with being kinda suspicious. after the whole study i was so angry i didn't get a real answer. i mean the fact i didn't get REM sleep is because i couldn't sleep, before on luvox i could dream (which is REM sleep) and would remember them. my sleep hasn't improved really since getting off luvox i don't know why...it didn't improve when i was on lithium for like 3 months or lamictal which was a year. so i don't know. maybe the answer was so obvious and i've been doing some backtracing on my life to see if there's some pattern, and the only things that would of caught the eye of my doctor are pontless stuff like being constipated all my life. that could make it harder to sleep couldn't it? i've been at this for years i'd like it to end soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3llo Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 im trying to find a pattern with my sleep. lately i've been waking up with really red itchy eyes that almost want to close shut, and a headache, must be allergies, but even before eye problems my sleep was bad. there's also this stomach pain i have that no medication helps, like a mixture between constipation and indigestion. i'm sure you guys totally know what i mean by that...:/ . i don't understand i didnt excersize at all yesturday, and didn't eat at all 4 hours before i went to bed...so it doesnt make sense. should i go see a doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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