noob-leech Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I don't know... It seems so wrong... Link: http://sylviasproblem.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/what-happened-to-hope-witsell/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspired_Neurosis Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The commentary on it is spot-on. The school officials needed to make her feel like a subhuman piece of shit over that? Fucking puritans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemisia Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 What she did was kind of silly and risky. Sending your naked picture to anyone is risky. That said, it's just the kind of thing a 13-year-old might do. The mob mentality of the people around her is really scary, though. I thought the Victorian era ended a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattoedxotears Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Typical... I mean, no shit, I can see why her parents took her cell phone away, and grounded her. She IS only 13 years old. Idk how she sent the picture, but if it was from a cell phone, and I did that, I know mine would have been smashed. I can see why she was suspended as well. That happens very often in my area. Middle schoolers and high schoolers tease and alienate people. I feel awful for Hope, and all other people who have had to go through this, I really do. But it was still her choice to end her life, and I don't think the article mentions that at all. Yes, the school should have handled it differently. Yes, bullies suck the life out of everything. Yes, SOME Christians, and even people that aren't Christians/Church-goers, are hypocritical and entirely too judgemental. Her spirit was being broken, but SHE and no one else, chose to end her life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillech Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 But she made that choice based on a circumstantial situation. That's sad, no matter what brought it about. Nobody has asked the question: why did she feel so empty as to want to send a naked picture of herself in the first place? That's what needed to be addressed in this case. Not what she did but why she did it to begin with. A lot of people will say well she was being a teenager. She did what teens did. But nobody asks why they do this. I don't think it comes down to one reason. There are many reasons. Sex and death are looked down upon in our culture. This is the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2mnot Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 but SHE and no one else, chose to end her life. WTF? She was a child who did something dumb. 13 year olds do that. Total rejection and punishment is hard enough for an adult. She was just a child. What happened to her was tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattoedxotears Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Uhm ? Notice I said how awful I feel for her and all who have had to go through that. it IS tragic. no where in my post was i trying to downplay that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspired_Neurosis Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 To clarify, I think most of us can agree that: -Ultimately, this girl took her own life, and her culpability can't be denied. -The way the situation was handled by the authority figures involved was completely inappropriate and counter-productive, and almost certainly contributed to her negative mental state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2mnot Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I still don't think a traumatized 13 year old has the ability/maturity to put anything in perspective enough to see that there were ways out other than suicide, especially given the reprehensible actions of the people in her community. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 But it was still her choice to end her life, and I don't think the article mentions that at all. dear lord, i can't believe you are saying this *on a site for mental illness*?? c'mon, desperation/suicidal thinking are not at all rational, and that kid was barely old enough to start thinking critically. she sure as hell didn't have the life the experiences to balance out her depression. 'choosing to end your life' is NOT in the same category as 'choosing to eat another cookie' or 'choosing the wear a red sweater' or even 'choosing to have another drink' or 'choosing to smoke that first cigarette'. it's a big, unalterable, unchangeable decision, and that kid just didn't have the chops to really consider the ramifications. she didn't choose it as much as she felt she had no choice, that her life was ruined and she felt railroaded into ending it. and those dumbass school officials who made her sign a 'no SI' contract but did NOT provide any counseling, any support, any therapy, any coping skills, nothing but a damn contract?? how fucking stupid they must be, to think that all you have to do with any minor is tell them 'don't do that' and OF COURSE they'll listen. what big fucking dumbasses. what a tragedy. what a damn shame. reddog, who was once a suicidal thirteen year old girl. choice my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelikejazz Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 That's really sad. What do you guys think about the media coverage of it? I know Samaritans recommends Avoid simplistic explanations for suicide. Although a catalyst may appear to be obvious, suicide is never the result of a single factor or event and is likely to have several inter-related causes Do you think that's best? I haven't heard much about this case over there so I don't know if it's being sensationalized. Google news didn't bring up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazynotstupid Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 From what I read, she sent a pic to her bf and some other girl forwarded it on... Damn kids. Damn "sexting". And she did it again later on. My take: if parents have to give their kids cells, give them plain vanilla phones. Kids don't need to be taking opics or texting. Kids should only have phones for calling in emergencies. I got through childhood fine without a phone. I'm a 33-year-old adult and I don't have a cell. WTF. This girl's life ended because of one stupid thing she did that snowballed and because kids are cruel and thoughtless, and because parents are permisssive and...thouightless. Parents, and adults. Our culture has gone to shit and is insane to boot. At least here we admit we're crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelikejazz Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Kids should only have phones for calling in emergencies. For most kids today (especially those in cities) not having a mobile would result in social isolation. They would miss out on invitations, last minute detail changes and the small moments of communication that happen throughout the day. Phones themselves aren't bad, even with video capabilities. We just need to make sure schools and parents are educated about technology and prepared to discuss with their kids about how to use them appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooga16 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I'm a very open-minded person. I might fall outside the norm here. First of all, it was a topless picture. Men are allowed to go topless without anyone questioning them. She shouldn't be punished for being a women. Sure, her intent was clear. Sexuality isn't a bad thing. Even young kids have sex drives. Yes, we don't want people having sex at a young age if we can avoid it. But it isn't a slippery slope. People can "stop" at a certain point. Kids already stop at "sex." They do everything but have sex. Data consistently shows openness about sex produces better results in terms of harm minimization. It's absolutely shameful for anyone to judge her for what she did. She didn't harm anyone. If I eat a disgusting looking meal, it's your problem if it disgusts you. It's not my fault. I'm entitled to do whatever I want. Her body doesn't send magical "sex dust" that burns the hearts of everyone who sees or hears about her actions. They have to business getting upset with someone over something that doesn't concern them at all. Frankly, the parents acted like most parents would. However, I don't think that did anything but reinforce the idea that she did something wrong. I also don't think the school has any right to punish her for an exchange the boyfriend clearly had no problem with. He is the one who distributed it in school. He should be the only one being punished. People judge women so unfairly compared to men, and they are so uptight about sexuality. Kids rebel. The harder this anti-sex crusade pushes, the more sexual things will get. Then again, I'm very open-minded. I tend to say my piece on things like this. Then everyone who is arguing stops in order to agree that I am wrong, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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