ryax Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 ok i was doin pretty good tapering my klonopin got myself down to 3mg for a few days from 4-5 mg a day. i had a really rough day and did the 5mg again.. Do you think i should continue my klonopin taper please note - i have metal shavings in my eyes and klonopin not working is insane to me. the metal in my eyes is driving me crazy. i use several types of steroid eye drops i really want to get back to my proper dose of klonoping which is 2mg a day - and make it work what is the best drug to taper off of klonopin with i have tapered klonopin once before with chlorodiazepoxide (librium - first benzo invented) and that worked well. I also assume valium would work well I have no insurance and would like to do this without seeing a psych ( i have a vast array of benzos ive accumulated over the years except librium) any general info would be appreciated even comments or how you got off PS. i am also prescribed 8mg of suboxone a day but i only usually take 2-4mg. thank you ryan any experiences storries and helpfulness would be acepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestia Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 At that dose, you REALLY need medical supervision. I learned that the hard way 2 years ago. Seriously. 3-5 mgs. a day is a lot of Klonopin, and you need a safe taper schedule--monitored by a professional. Trust me, seizures are not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryax Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 sorry, i am not made of money and do not wish to completely come off of my klonopin - only completely get offf for about 3 months so my dose returns to normal. i absolutely need klonopin to function normally. and, i am in extreme pain, and i dont want to go back on pain pills. therefore i am not going to ask my primary addiction doctor to get me off of klonopin. i am not made of money and cannot afford another psychiatrist. no shit it can give you seizures,if you stop cold turkey. but to be honest, last time i tapered off of it with librium i used .5mg 4 x a day for 2 weeks then 3 x a day do you know what .5mg of librium is? its not even equivelent to .25mg of xanax 25mg of librium is equivilent to bout' 5mg of xanax if i remember correctly you don't need to scare me, bro, i was just looking for a taper schedule and the correct drug to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestia Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 It's your funeral. Good luck with that, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderk Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Celestia is totally right to pitch you a high hard one. Simply put, you can't afford NOT to have your objective handled by a doc with proper training. Your plan to crash from Klonopin in the service of resetting to lower dose (if my understanding is correct) is fraught with a lot of risk. And it sounds like you are pretty familiar with the agony that can be had when benzos and narcs are in the mix. Agony that does pass in time, but during that time feelings of desperation are all over you. I've seen lots of bad outcomes in this work. You seriously should not do this on your own. And the folks on these boards are responsible enough not to try to advise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_001 Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Metal shavings in your eyes ? Any way to actually fix this problem rather than medicating it ? You have addiction problems and you don't want to take pain pills/opiates ? Understandable. Btw, suboxone is an opiate too. Often there are interactions between benzodiazepines and opiates. This is the type of decision that only a doctor should make. While you're still on suboxone you haven't completely withdrawn from opiates. Unless you have problems with Klonopin in particular, there is no need to switch to a different benzo. You were on 4-5 mg a day and went to 3 mg for a few days. You can't just change the dose like that if you've been taking it for a long time. Klonopin is a powerful drug. According to the equivalence charts 4 mg Klonopin= 80 mg diazepam ! I have no idea how Klonopin for pain is supposed to work. Sedation ? The sedation usually goes away due to tolerance. As you probably know, you can't keep increasing the dose of Klonopin. Maybe you can take something non-addictive for pain ? There is the Ashton manual, but I believe it's probably better to taper Klonopin directly, unless that's not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_001 Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Btw, Roche suggests in Klonopin's PI sheet (unless it has been changed) to reduce the dose every three days by 0.125 mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 only completely get off for about 3 months so my dose returns to normal. i absolutely need klonopin to function normally. Yeah, but that's not how it goes, bro. When you become acclimated with a certain dose of benzo for a long time, you rarely go "down to needing a lower dose". I've been taking xanax on and off (and forcefully off) for about five years. I now take 2mg PRN. I don't take it every day, but when I do, I have to have this HUGE dose to work for me. Why? Well, partially my genetics, partially how long I've taken it. I've taken everywhere from no xanax for months to 120 xanax a month. Still need 2mg PRN. I've quit cold turkey without a doctor. It was hard, side effects were extreme, and I don't recommend it to anyone. It's not going to reduce your tolerance to klonopin or get it to work better. I don't know where you are getting that. If you think your side effects are bad now, just wait until the real SE kick in when you really start withdrawing without medical assistance. Not gonna be pleasant. And the sad thing is it's going to be for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryax Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 Celestia is totally right to pitch you a high hard one. Simply put, you can't afford NOT to have your objective handled by a doc with proper training. Your plan to crash from Klonopin in the service of resetting to lower dose (if my understanding is correct) is fraught with a lot of risk. And it sounds like you are pretty familiar with the agony that can be had when benzos and narcs are in the mix. Agony that does pass in time, but during that time feelings of desperation are all over you. I've seen lots of bad outcomes in this work. You seriously should not do this on your own. And the folks on these boards are responsible enough not to try to advise you. crashing? what are you talking about? did you not read my post? If you're not going to do this with a doctor, where would you be getting Valium or Librium? If you have money to buy benzos off the street, you have money for a doctor. I don't see why you'd need another benzo to taper klonopin with because klonopin itself has a ridiculously long half life itself. With that said, neither you nor I are a medical doctor, and that call should be made by someone with training-- either an addictions doctor or a psychiatrist. who said im getting them off the street? i already have them. lol. trying to make people look like drug addicts copping off the streets to help their psychological and physical addiction is not very helpful Metal shavings in your eyes ? Any way to actually fix this problem rather than medicating it ? You have addiction problems and you don't want to take pain pills/opiates ? Understandable. Btw, suboxone is an opiate too. Often there are interactions between benzodiazepines and opiates. This is the type of decision that only a doctor should make. While you're still on suboxone you haven't completely withdrawn from opiates. Unless you have problems with Klonopin in particular, there is no need to switch to a different benzo. You were on 4-5 mg a day and went to 3 mg for a few days. You can't just change the dose like that if you've been taking it for a long time. Klonopin is a powerful drug. According to the equivalence charts 4 mg Klonopin= 80 mg diazepam ! I have no idea how Klonopin for pain is supposed to work. Sedation ? The sedation usually goes away due to tolerance. As you probably know, you can't keep increasing the dose of Klonopin. Maybe you can take something non-addictive for pain ? There is the Ashton manual, but I believe it's probably better to taper Klonopin directly, unless that's not possible. ty for ashton manual, and i am remaining on suboxone at a super low dose. I was on 4 mg for a few weeks. I think i should be able to do this myself reguardless. I was looking for a chloradiazepoxide chart (librium) reduction chart, because i was on the same dosage and was brought down with the equivelent of quarter grain of xanax a day Btw, Roche suggests in Klonopin's PI sheet (unless it has been changed) to reduce the dose every three days by 0.125 mg. most helpful answer i've received. only completely get off for about 3 months so my dose returns to normal. i absolutely need klonopin to function normally. Yeah, but that's not how it goes, bro. When you become acclimated with a certain dose of benzo for a long time, you rarely go "down to needing a lower dose". I've been taking xanax on and off (and forcefully off) for about five years. I now take 2mg PRN. I don't take it every day, but when I do, I have to have this HUGE dose to work for me. Why? Well, partially my genetics, partially how long I've taken it. I've taken everywhere from no xanax for months to 120 xanax a month. Still need 2mg PRN. I've quit cold turkey without a doctor. It was hard, side effects were extreme, and I don't recommend it to anyone. It's not going to reduce your tolerance to klonopin or get it to work better. I don't know where you are getting that. If you think your side effects are bad now, just wait until the real SE kick in when you really start withdrawing without medical assistance. Not gonna be pleasant. And the sad thing is it's going to be for nothing. I've done it before. yet still trying to scare me. I dont have money to afford another doctor, however i do have the medicines needed to taper off thank you all for replying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I'm not trying to scar you - I'm just speaking for experience as a habituated individual. Once you get to the "upper" level of dosage, lower doses don't work for you any more. It doesn't matter if you are absinant five years from the med. What the chemical receptors learn to need to calm down don't change. Like I said, I quit cold turkey because I thought 2 mg PRN was too much. I went through withdrawal hell, and when I felt safe to start the Xanax again, it was readily apparent I still needed the same 2mg dose to get relief. And I frequently go a week or so between doses... I definitely don't take it every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryax Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 I'm not trying to scar you - I'm just speaking for experience as a habituated individual. Once you get to the "upper" level of dosage, lower doses don't work for you any more. It doesn't matter if you are absinant five years from the med. What the chemical receptors learn to need to calm down don't change. Like I said, I quit cold turkey because I thought 2 mg PRN was too much. I went through withdrawal hell, and when I felt safe to start the Xanax again, it was readily apparent I still needed the same 2mg dose to get relief. And I frequently go a week or so between doses... I definitely don't take it every day. ive already been through widthdrawal of this before. ive gone cold turkey also. im not scared at all of widthdrawals. and im not worried about my dose becoming stabilized again because i have done it several times. wow, i thought you guys would be helpful. i am not asking for your life experiences, im asking for the medication and detox chart to get off of it. specifically with chloradizepoxide (librium) but the valium ashton chart will work good enough, but that honestly is not the way the doctors do it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Well, if you don't think our advice is what you are looking for, you have two options: use the search function at the top of the screen, and google search. Don't belittle us when we take time out of our day to give you valuable advice that we think you should know. Next time, just search and don't ask. I'm going to go back to my migraine headaches and pretend you weren't a dick who called my several replies useless to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryax Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 I asked for a taper chart with valium or librium and someone did have a logical post with the ashton manual. i am going to probably use the ashton manual but convert the valium to chloradiazepoxide ty klonopin does have a long half life yes, but tapering down slowly is rediculous when you can switch to .5mg of chloradiazepoxide 4x a day for 2 weeks than 3x a day for 2 weeks than 2x a day for two weeks and after that you can jump off 25mg of chloradiazepoxide = .5mg of xanax drastic reduction it may seem like but it is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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