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I really don't think it is that simple, especially since you posted this on the SZ / Psychosis board. As one of the core elements of any psychotic disorder is not being able to trust in what you percieve as real, I don't see how this could help very much.

Perhaps you'd like to explain?

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I'm sorry, but 'being more aware of our surroundings' as you put it is not really going to help someone overcome psychosis. What everybody has already said in response to this thread is right. Actually, I would say that during a psychotic episode I tend to become super aware of my surroundings. But this is delusional.

There are some coping strategies that can help in the short term, but it is important to remember that these are only coping strategies and they do not get rid of the underlying problem. The answer is to take medication, and learn better reality testing (from my experience, this can only be done after starting medication). Psychosis is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. You wouldn't be saying things like this if you were talking to someone with diabetes, would you?

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I become hyper aware of my surroundings when I'm psychotic. I sometimes misinterpret co-incidences or unrelated events as being related.

What you are describing helps me when I'm anxious. Being in the moment keeps me from dwelling on the past and future. I tend to briefly dissociate and touching things can keep me grounded.

But, I don't think your post relates to psychosis.

Like others have stated the best treatment for psychosis is medication and reality testing.

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What Confused said!

There is a big difference between anxiety and psychosis....having issues with both, I won't compare one in severity to the other (just clarifying that's not what I'm doing) but I think social anxiety and the paranoia that stems from it is different from psychotic paranoia, for instance. I don't want to say you're talking out of your ass, but......you are. It's painfully clear that you don't have experience in what you're talking about, IMO. Psychosis=medication.

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I stand by what I've said. and.yes its that simple. im getting better without addictive costly medication. Y ou are complicating.everything.a reason you are experiencing these things. For example..hearing voices..it is in your head therefore you need to listen closely to what is outside of your head. Dont think about what your hearing, listen.and only listen. .listening and comprehending what is being said or heard is natural, your over analysing. .....If your thinking that your tv is.telling u a secret message,yournot actually focused on it ...your ThiNKiNG about what ur seeing and hearing rather then REALLY listening and hearing. When in doubt remember that its simpler then you are making it. FIRST LISTEN, SECOND SEE. that is what a reality check is. don't mess up a.reality check with your thinking...because instead of looking around you you are still in your head.

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I stand by what I've said. and.yes its that simple. ill be getting better without addictive costly medication. you all want to complicate things, one of the reasons you are experiencing these things. For example..hearing voices..it is in your head therefore you need to listen closely to what is outside of your head. If your thinking that your tv is.telling u a secret message,yournot focused on it your ThiNKiNG about what ur seeing and hearing rather then really listening.

Perhaps you have anxiety, blinkii. If you can make it go away like this, you don't have a true psychotic disorder. For these, medication is the recourse. So, please, stop posting in this forum.

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I stand by what I've said. and.yes its that simple. im getting better without addictive costly medication.

Antipsychotic medications are not addictive, and certainly not scheduled by the appropriate agencies for control as medications that cause addiction or dependency. It's rather rude to declare otherwise, with the clear implication that the people you are addressing are drug-seeking addicts. If you wish to discuss addiction, there is a separate board for that. If you wish to discuss specific medications, please do so on the appropriate medication boards for those topics.

Furthermore, with regard to hallucinations and delusions - as opposed to illusions and erroneous beliefs - telling a person to listen to whatever they see or hear without thinking about it is precisely the opposite of reality testing. A rational person confronts irrational events with the question "Did I interpret that correctly?" and "Is that real?" if time permits.

And please stop assuming that it's all a matter of over-analysis - that thought can be willingly divorced from the process. The ear does not hear by itself, or the eye see by itself without a mind to interpret the sounds and colors.

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I think i understand what you are saying my tdoc calls it "mindfulness" and it helps with slowing thinking when anxious and dissociating, But i did not find it helpful as a hole because everything around me that i meant to focusing on starts communicating and screaming at me, all at once and i freak out and can't do anything when that happens. But my tdoc did try it for anxiety but it just strengthened my telepathy connections which i am actually trying to get away from.

But depending on what the problem it is it can be helpful for someoe, and if it works for you than that is the most important thing.

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Mindfulness is great - for anxiety.

For psychosis? The first line of treatment is medication. Everything else - i.e. reality checking techniques - comes after.

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http://www.crazyboar...655#entry500655

seems like u guys changed ur mind.....

For psychosis? The first line of treatment is medication.

i rest my case.

if i won the lottery id give you half and a hand shake.

if i give u half, will u promise to give some to the t-docs who sound like their reading from a script so they will STFU about mindfullness when ur acutely psychotic and lost the plot.

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@tommy000: You're wrong there, because you're trying to link two disparate issues here. My stance hasn't changed. Therapy is a necessary component of recovery in psychotic disorders and I believe that you require a holistic treatment plan for maximum benefit.

However, when someone is acutely psychotic? First line treatment is medication. The thread you quoted in your post isn't about first-line treatment.

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when your gramma jumps out of the tv with a knife in her teeth, I'm sure you'll find it easy to move out of the way, given your ability to think your way out of madness.

man, if it was that simple, a million of us would already be doing it. you don't have super powers we are missing, you aren't more vigilant, more committed to recovery.

we are, those of us willing to take unpleasant medicine in order to fully live in reality- not you.

those of us who have to make sacrifices and be stoic and take our damn pills mostly resent this kind of bullshit. either you're 1.not mentally ill and just talking yourself out of situational fear or sadness, 2.totally out of touch with reality and thinking you can control chemicals in your brain with "pleasant thoughts" or 3.absolutely full of shit and trolling the loony bin.

I need this place to help me stay on track and to connect to others who are trying their damnedest, sometimes against very long odds indeed, to be mentally fit and healthy. this does not describe you.

sorry if I gt carried away but I was in the wrong mood to read this tonight.

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when your gramma jumps out of the tv with a knife in her teeth, I'm sure you'll find it easy to move out of the way, given your ability to think your way out of madness.

man, if it was that simple, a million of us would already be doing it. you don't have super powers we are missing, you aren't more vigilant, more committed to recovery.

we are, those of us willing to take unpleasant medicine in order to fully live in reality- not you.

those of us who have to make sacrifices and be stoic and take our damn pills mostly resent this kind of bullshit. either you're 1.not mentally ill and just talking yourself out of situational fear or sadness, 2.totally out of touch with reality and thinking you can control chemicals in your brain with "pleasant thoughts" or 3.absolutely full of shit and trolling the loony bin.

I need this place to help me stay on track and to connect to others who are trying their damnedest, sometimes against very long odds indeed, to be mentally fit and healthy. this does not describe you.

sorry if I gt carried away but I was in the wrong mood to read this tonight.

hammock - i think any schizophrenic including me is with u on this. any schizophrenic in any mood would be pissed off about how people can expect us to just "think ourselves out of maddness"

meds ARENT everything. i agree that therapy CAN help u. im not saying u should just sit on ur ass and meds will do EVERYTHING. they help us "manage" our symptoms. not a cure. i know.

i think u guys *misinterpret* what my point is

maybe when ur really *bad* instead of hearing voices ALL day. with meds those voices u hear ALL day can be reduced to a just a few minutes. or half the day. whatever.

no meds will NOT wipe out ur psychotic symptoms bam boom 100% gone. thats not possible at the *present* time. it will water down ur psychoses so u can *manage* ur life with schizophrenia better.

im NOT saying "ok meds are everything" or "meds will do everything" or "meds are everything to recovery" or that "therapy is bs"

before ur medicated and ur paranoid, lost the plot or whatever and the AP suppresses ur paranoia now coz ur less paranoid u can leave the house and socialise. yes its YOU who leaves the house and socialises NOT the antipsychotic but its the antipsychotic that has allowed you to leave the house coz ur paranoia has now gone down and now is managed. something like that. i know thats a silly example but u might get my point.

before the antipsychotic you could be paranoid about everything, now yes u will still be paranoid but its less and *now* ur only paranoid about some things, some events, some situations NOT all events all things all situations which u were before the drug

for me seroquel xr has helped A LOT to my recovery. for me its like valium on steroids. im not 100%. seroquel xr has stopped the "twisted thoughts" i previously had and helped me manage the voices and paranoia. without it, ill be stuck in the corner of my room talking to myself and absolutely terrified and not being able to sleep. the world will be in chaos if there were no antipsychotics, no antidepressants, no benzos etc.

it seems theres this *negative attitude* about meds. or that they are evil or whatever. but treatments can only get better in the future.

suppose there is a drug that will *cure* schizophrenia one day which we will all be praying and pleading for should we say "NO" to it coz its a medication / drug?

meds help us in the right direction and then the rest is up to u....

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