Pastafarian Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 In a commercial for Martha's a girl says she feels like crying to which Martha replies she'll get fired if she cries because women in business don't cry. Anybody else find Martha offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMarshall Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Martha Stewart? Ha! - That refined measured accent of hers? Fake. She grew up in Joisey and talked like that well after college. - Turn the cameral lights off and that plastered on smile goes away. Employees say she is ruthless and has no loyalties to anyone. - Was known to have wild sex parties in her younger days - Think she accidently made that stock sale? She was a licensed stock broker on Wall Street for several years. The Big Time. She had to take hours long Series 8 exams that covered the rules in excrutiating detail. "Home arrest is worse than prison." Yup! A.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grousemouse Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 i cannot stand that ultra-tough macho crap, be it the stuff that comes from the white house, the military, martha stewart or any other reality show. is there no room for a little compassion? grouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyvc Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 In a commercial for Martha's a girl says she feels like crying to which Martha replies she'll get fired if she cries because women in business don't cry. Anybody else find Martha offensive? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. I find her offensive. That tough attitude is really annoying. Especially coming from someone who becomes more successful after stealing large amounts of money from investors. On the other hand, she is pretty close to right. I cried once. Once in a private meeting. I had serious cause given the mobbing that was going on. I was sent out to find help for my behaviour problems. It was a good thing. I got serious help for serious issues that I was never crazy enough to qualify for. I talked to HR about it after the fact, months later when they were still after me. HR said it was not wrong to cry. I should not have gotten into trouble. Alas, HR had no control over the thugs I worked for. So, I'd say. Be very careful who sees you cry. Better to excuse yourself and go someplace private and do some relaxation exercise. Sandyvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastafarian Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 is there no room for a little compassion? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If martha were a true woman pioneer in business, she would buck that tereotype, that to suceed in business you have to be unemotional. Now she's just perpetuating the stereotype that only masculine (read: psychopathic) types belong in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Loon Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Salon.com had an interesting article rebutting Martha. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2005/10/1...tml?sid=1402102 (If you don't have a membership, I think you can sign up for a "day pass" by watching a stupid commercial.) An excerpt: Cheers for tears Why women should feel free to cry in the workplace -- and anywhere else they damn well please. By Cecelie S. Berry Oct. 18, 2005 | When I feel the urge to cry, I go with it. I don't care who's around. And I do it even though it makes me look terrible. My nose swells and lights up, my eyes shrink to mean little slits, my mascara runs. So be it. When I'm crying, as much as when I'm laughing, I feel completely alive. It works for me. ... The response to Katrina had me over the moon because it illustrates my point: Emotions, particularly when expressed by men, are powerful. Mayor Ray Nagin's expletives; Kanye West saying "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on national television; NBA basketball star Stephon Marbury weeping uncontrollably at a press conference; the breakdown of Jefferson County Parish president Aaron Broussard, as he described the calls for help from a friend's mother who drowned in her nursing home. These incidents placed heartbreak on the political agenda. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff's cool appraisal, "It's an emotional time," seemed a paternalistic understatement intended to dismiss these protests as uncontrolled ravings. But on display in the days after Katrina were unvarnished tears and genuine empathy, which eventually compelled action. Tears teach. What stirs us to public emotion reveals our needs, reflects our values. It also asks others to evaluate what, if anything, they are doing to provoke our tears, to take responsibility for our feelings by trying to make things better. This is why emotions are politically incorrect; they impose on us burdensome questions: What have I done? What can I do? The images of men breaking down and speaking out after Katrina exemplified true compassion, not the propagandistic kind that is safely contained and manipulated with photo ops and false camaraderie. It was raw, it was real and it won the hearts and minds of the nation. Let's hope we haven't seen the last of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyvc Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 is there no room for a little compassion? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If martha were a true woman pioneer in business, she would buck that tereotype, that to suceed in business you have to be unemotional. Now she's just perpetuating the stereotype that only masculine (read: psychopathic) types belong in business. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I totally agree. She is in a position to stop this lie. She is one of those bee-atches that turned into a pseudo-man to be successful. Alas that there are so many of them out there. Still, there are also lots of good women in positions of power. I just wish I could find one to report to. I am too crazy to be one. Sandyvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastafarian Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 maybe Martha is a psychopath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyvc Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 maybe Martha is a psychopath? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From the extensive research I have done on the subject of psychopaths/sociopaths you could be right. They don't have empathy. Most of them don't become mass murderers and such but many of them end up as stock brokers, investment bankers, and are very successful at it. I just read recently that companies that do investments would be smart to look for psychopaths because their lack of empathy and inability to see consequences make them very good financial risk takers. Nice. They make good bee-atch bosses too. Actually, most of the arseholes I have met in the corporate world are not lacking in empathy as such, just lacking it for anyone outside their little circle of lackeys. Sandyvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthetic Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 maybe Martha is a psychopath? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niz Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Martha Stewart may be an offencive prick, but I've gotta give her props for outsmarting the "big boys" during that whole stock sale business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyvc Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Martha Stewart may be an offencive prick, but I've gotta give her props for outsmarting the "big boys" during that whole stock sale business <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Outsmarting the big boys? She did time. Not exactly hard time from what I know about the place she was in. I have a bit of a problem giving credit to people who steal from investors. Could be your granny's retirement money she stole. Insider trading is theft. Also, if she had stayed the course she would have made a ton of money the legal way when the med was approved. Maybe she isn't a psychopath...she waived the risk, broke the law, and lost a bundle. Of course, she is making it all back with her additional tv shows. Sandyvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niz Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Outsmarting the big boys? She did time. Not exactly hard time from what I know about the place she was in. I have a bit of a problem giving credit to people who steal from investors. Could be your granny's retirement money she stole. Insider trading is theft. Also, if she had stayed the course she would have made a ton of money the legal way when the med was approved. Maybe she isn't a psychopath...she waived the risk, broke the law, and lost a bundle. Of course, she is making it all back with her additional tv shows. Sandyvc <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, foo. I was just being silly I know what she did was wrong and pretty stupid on her part. I don't get why they're letting her do that Apprentice show though... after all, she did something pretty bad in the business world, and they're letting her show people how to make it in the business world. Kinda ironic and silly in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncc1701 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Heya, Can't stand to hear about her. My sorely-missed rage wells up a bit when she comes on tv. Psychopath, sure why not, narcissistic for sure but who are we to do long-distance diagnosis? Oh wait, right, we're crazy so who knows better than us As for the no crying thing, I agree, she *should* have been able to use her influence to reverse that instead of perpetuating it. Evil wacko. OK half-assed rage attack over. --ncc-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Manicsmk34 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Salon.com had an interesting article rebutting Martha. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2005/10/1...tml?sid=1402102 (If you don't have a membership, I think you can sign up for a "day pass" by watching a stupid commercial.) An excerpt: Cheers for tears Why women should feel free to cry in the workplace -- and anywhere else they damn well please. By Cecelie S. Berry Oct. 18, 2005 | When I feel the urge to cry, I go with it. I don't care who's around. And I do it even though it makes me look terrible. My nose swells and lights up, my eyes shrink to mean little slits, my mascara runs. So be it. When I'm crying, as much as when I'm laughing, I feel completely alive. It works for me. ... The response to Katrina had me over the moon because it illustrates my point: Emotions, particularly when expressed by men, are powerful. Mayor Ray Nagin's expletives; Kanye West saying "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on national television; NBA basketball star Stephon Marbury weeping uncontrollably at a press conference; the breakdown of Jefferson County Parish president Aaron Broussard, as he described the calls for help from a friend's mother who drowned in her nursing home. These incidents placed heartbreak on the political agenda. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff's cool appraisal, "It's an emotional time," seemed a paternalistic understatement intended to dismiss these protests as uncontrolled ravings. But on display in the days after Katrina were unvarnished tears and genuine empathy, which eventually compelled action. Tears teach. What stirs us to public emotion reveals our needs, reflects our values. It also asks others to evaluate what, if anything, they are doing to provoke our tears, to take responsibility for our feelings by trying to make things better. This is why emotions are politically incorrect; they impose on us burdensome questions: What have I done? What can I do? The images of men breaking down and speaking out after Katrina exemplified true compassion, not the propagandistic kind that is safely contained and manipulated with photo ops and false camaraderie. It was raw, it was real and it won the hearts and minds of the nation. Let's hope we haven't seen the last of it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manicsmk34 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Whoops- I quoted Miss Loon & then accidently bailed. I meant 2 say I absoultely loved what she had to say- as I am next door 2 New Orleans, & the same things (grown men breaking down) touched me deeply, then & now. Just wanted 2 applaud the EXCELLENT/ARTICULATE way she said it- totally how alot of us feel, but we aren't gifted with words to express it-thanks 2 u, Miss Loon! PS- Martha sucks lemons-2 put it politely. Shanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groovyone Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Everytime I see her I just want to scream. She's so fucking useless. Okay, so is this post but it's on the People Suck Board and I want to rant about Martha Stewart too. So there. Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeze Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Uh...it's a TV show. What did you expect? Breeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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