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On 12/20/2020 at 5:10 PM, Fluent In Silence said:

I get some weird messages on my phone sometimes. Someone has replied to a comment on youtube that I don't remember posting. This morning it was "You're wrong, my mother had a c-section." What the ... ?

Oh I do remember what that was about. I was saying that vaginas aren't evil and that we all came out of one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-KeVBNz0A

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10 minutes ago, Fluent In Silence said:

Oh I do remember what that was about. I was saying that vaginas aren't evil and that we all came out of one.

This is what you think about on Christmas? Aren’t you supposed to be contemplating the Queen’s Speech or something?

Okay, to be fair, Christmas is about a birth, but I don’t think we’re supposed to think about it in that kind of detail...

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23 hours ago, Cerberus said:

This is what you think about on Christmas? Aren’t you supposed to be contemplating the Queen’s Speech or something?

Okay, to be fair, Christmas is about a birth, but I don’t think we’re supposed to think about it in that kind of detail...

Oh damn! Missed the Queen's speech again. What was 'one' talking about this time? No, I was thinking Christmassy thoughts about Jesus and his little elves, then I saw my previous post and thought that it required some sort of explanation. At the time I really didn't know what they were referring to. What the hell did I say which would provoke that response? Maybe don't listen to that song because it's annoyingly catchy and you mighty find yourself singing the words at the wrong moments. "Don't play stupid don't play dumb vagina's where you're really from."

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Who the fuck is James Young? I wrote a long and sweary response to someone (on YouTube) who'd talked about the slippery slope of gay marriage some months ago, and someone replied with "Don't you know who James Young is you fucking boomer?" No. Should I? Does this have any relevance or is this just some bloke you know? James Young was a Scottish chemist who discovered a method of distilling paraffin from coal and oil shales. Eh? And calling me a boomer like all the yoof know who this fucker is but I'm too old to be down with the kids. Who the fuck is James Young? Not bothered by being called a boomer, since the guy sounds like an arsehole so I don't give a flying shit what he says, but I thought that word referred oldies stuck in their stupid opinions. Oldie(ish) though I am I was calling some homophobic arsehole (I'm not gay 😆) a dumb c*nt (cunt I mean. I censored it because some people are offended by the word cunt so I want to avoid saying cunt because I'm a nice person). So he was objecting to that because I'm too old to understand the kids today. Hmmm. Who the fuck is James Young?

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13 hours ago, Fluent In Silence said:

Don't you know who James Young is you fucking boomer?

My GenZ son delights in calling me a Boomer because he knows I’m GenX and it annoys me to be associated with the “Me Generation”. I often remind him that he is on thin ice, as this GenXer is subsidizing his rent.

You don’t know who James Young is? Shocking! Wait - which one don’t you know? There’s the scientist, the actor born in 1920, the actor born in 1980, the musician, and the basketball player. There’s also the oodles of other James Youngs out there who aren’t famous but exist because Young is not an uncommon surname and James is a common given name.

So, Millennial (said with a hint of contempt that implies “kids these days” and perhaps a hint of “get a job”) - you don’t know who Cecil B. DeMille is? Roy Rogers? Flash Gordon? Dick Tracy? No? Howdy Doody? Mr. Ed? Gumby? Captain Kangeroo? No? Idi Amin? Margaret Thatcher? Archduke Ferdinand? I could do this all day, you ignorant, entitled, self-important young twit...

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8 hours ago, Cerberus said:

My GenZ son delights in calling me a Boomer because he knows I’m GenX and it annoys me to be associated with the “Me Generation”. I often remind him that he is on thin ice, as this GenXer is subsidizing his rent.

You don’t know who James Young is? Shocking! Wait - which one don’t you know? There’s the scientist, the actor born in 1920, the actor born in 1980, the musician, and the basketball player. There’s also the oodles of other James Youngs out there who aren’t famous but exist because Young is not an uncommon surname and James is a common given name.

So, Millennial (said with a hint of contempt that implies “kids these days” and perhaps a hint of “get a job”) - you don’t know who Cecil B. DeMille is? Roy Rogers? Flash Gordon? Dick Tracy? No? Howdy Doody? Mr. Ed? Gumby? Captain Kangeroo? No? Idi Amin? Margaret Thatcher? Archduke Ferdinand? I could do this all day, you ignorant, entitled, self-important young twit...

I don't know the James Young who has anything to do with gay marriage. That's not really a good argument is it? He mentions someone, who I googled but still don't get who he was referring to, then suggests that I might be too old to understand kids these days. I was commenting on a response to a music video, which is about 35 years old, after someone talked nonsense about gay marriage. Firstly, I'm not old enough to be called a boomer, and secondly, he was objecting to me disagreeing with someone's bigoted opinion, like "You're too old to understand us young'uns and our homophobic opinions grandad". Well my grandad had similar bigoted opinions so not exactly something that older people can't understand. I wasn't offended just very confused. Millennials are probably less homophobic than people have been in the past so what the ... I mean ... erm. And James fucking Young! No I don't know who James fucking Young is or what he has to do with anything. I asked him if he knew who Fergal McDanglenuts is because I'm older and so mature.

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I just spent an hour talking to antisemites on youtube. I think I made a difference. Someone said "this is gay" about this video which is about antisemitism. I patiently explained the difference between homosexuality and religious beliefs. It involved a graphic description of felching. Feels good to educate people. Someone said about the video "Your a Jew saying that it's wrong to be anti-jew... hmmm" What can you do with this level of stupidity? I corrected his spelling for a start. It's "You're a Jew". Try to remember that because you're embarrassing the master race. Can't have people thinking that us genetically superior specimens are stupid can we you fucking moron. But that argument. Jews opposing antisemitism. Hmmm. Jesus! Sorry, shouldn't mention Jesus. I'm an atheist so I don't care that you killed him (that was a joke, but I've probably just alienated half of the people here in one way or another). But that hmmm. Jews say that discrimination against Jews is bad but they're biased. What the fuck sort of argument is that? Can I be Jewish? I want to get as far as fucking possible from being associated with these arseholes and I guess a foreskin isn't that important. Here's a quote from one of the master race "I don't hate jews, but you have to admit that a portion of them have a lot of influence in politics and news, and not for the betterment of society, or you must think that dragqueen story time is a good thing." Now I could criticise a lot there but what the fuck is dragqueen story time? And what the fuck has it got to do with Jewish people? So you're either antisemitic or you like dragqueen story time. What the fuck are you talking about? Sounds like we're better off with Jews running the world. Better than placing any power in the hands of these fuckwits. Not enthusiastic about having my foreskin cut off to be honest. Is that really essential?

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18 hours ago, Fluent In Silence said:

I just spent an hour talking to antisemites on youtube. I think I made a difference... Can I be Jewish? I want to get as far as fucking possible from being associated with these arseholes and I guess a foreskin isn't that important... Not enthusiastic about having my foreskin cut off to be honest. Is that really essential?

I am pleased with you. When it’s my turn to use the space laser, I will make sure that your home remains standing while I evaporate the rest of the city.

You are welcome to join us. I’m afraid your foreskin is part of the price of admission. I only know one man who was circumcised as an adult, and I believe he did not care for the experience overall, but he was a shallow bastard who only did it because he was embarrassed about how his prick looked and couldn’t deal with getting teased in locker rooms.

Look on the bright side. Join the Reform movement and no one will care if you keep kosher or not. I’m quite certain that keeping kosher is more of a nuisance than having your tip snipped.

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1 hour ago, Gearhead said:

I am pleased with you. When it’s my turn to use the space laser, I will make sure that your home remains standing while I evaporate the rest of the city.

You are welcome to join us. I’m afraid your foreskin is part of the price of admission. I only know one man who was circumcised as an adult, and I believe he did not care for the experience overall, but he was a shallow bastard who only did it because he was embarrassed about how his prick looked and couldn’t deal with getting teased in locker rooms.

Look on the bright side. Join the Reform movement and no one will care if you keep kosher or not. I’m quite certain that keeping kosher is more of a nuisance than having your tip snipped.

Ha! I want to convert to Judaism so I can not believe in a different idea of God. As well as running the world there's a lot of Jewish comedians, so they'll probably see the funny side of that. I remember feeling the same way about racists. Can I be black? That didn't turn out well. Should've looked up blackface first. Bit of a history there apparently. And that makeup wasn't cheap. No that didn't really happen.

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2 hours ago, Gearhead said:

I’m quite certain that keeping kosher is more of a nuisance than having your tip snipped.

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I’m disappointed in both of you. “Your ‘tip snipped’?” In a female context we would refer to it as ‘genital mutilation’ and be quite justifiably outraged.

 I was not an adult when I had my ‘tip snipped’, but I was in the fourth grade and very much aware of what was being done to me. That there evidently was a legitimately medical reason for it (?) didn’t matter - it hurt like billy-oh and wasn’t half humiliating. Did I mention they did it on Thanksgiving Day? It seems important to mention that, just for the black irony.

Flue, if you’re intact, remember that God made you that way, and if you’re an intact atheist, remember that it’s the end product of several hundred thousand years of vertebrate genetic adaption among primates, and leave the damn thing alone. Been there, done that, can’t recommend.

Feeling fussy over a foreskin? Be glad you’re not a duck - their equipment is corkscrew-shaped, lined with sharp ridges and backward-pointing spines, is a quarter of their body length, and is stored inside-out inside their bodies.

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1 hour ago, Cerberus said:

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I’m disappointed in both of you. “Your ‘tip snipped’?” In a female context we would refer to it as ‘genital mutilation’ and be quite justifiably outraged.

 I was not an adult when I had my ‘tip snipped’, but I was in the fourth grade and very much aware of what was being done to me. That there evidently was a legitimately medical reason for it (?) didn’t matter - it hurt like billy-oh and wasn’t half humiliating. Did I mention they did it on Thanksgiving Day? It seems important to mention that, just for the black irony.

Flue, if you’re intact, remember that God made you that way, and if you’re an intact atheist, remember that it’s the end product of several hundred thousand years of vertebrate genetic adaption among primates, and leave the damn thing alone. Been there, done that, can’t recommend.

Feeling fussy over a foreskin? Be glad you’re not a duck - their equipment is corkscrew-shaped, lined with sharp ridges and backward-pointing spines, is a quarter of their body length, and is stored inside-out inside their bodies.

Yes. And a duck's vagina goes in the opposite direction. I know this because it was on a TV show. Feel the need to point that out because it would be suspicious if I happened to know about duck vaginas. Circumcision is a bit odd. God made us but he forgot to remove all the packaging. Doesn't make any sense but let's not get into religion. Whoops, God, you missed a bit. It was a design error and now God is angry at foreskins. Holy prepuce!

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@Cerberus, my best friend keeps kosher, and it just. never. ends. The dietary restrictions are just the tip (I’m sorry, I’m sorry) of the iceberg. There’s the separate pots, pans, dishes, utensils, sponges, the ceaseless reading of labels and expense of ordering online, the guilt if she screws something up...I would stop eating. There’s no way I could stand to think about food that much. My eating habits are already odd enough, because of autistic food sensitivities, and because I just don’t enjoy eating enough to fuss with it.

I’m not arguing that getting circumcised isn’t awful, but at least it heals, and stays done, and you don’t find out years later that your favorite chicken nuggets have butter in the breading and you’ve been indulging in delicious blasphemy, and have to go through your whole damn freezer AGAIN just in case. 

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“At least the damage is irreversible” is not a persuasive argument here. And no way am I letting anyone take a scalpel to my favorite chicken nuggets. Not for some religious reason.

(Actually, the statement “it stays done” need not necessarily be true. There are techniques, both surgical and non-surgical, to restore a foreskin.)

[After this I begin to wax a bit philosophical to call it a Random Thought, so feel free to TL;DR]
 

Really, though, and not to take this in a way-too-serious direction, but I’m surprised to see you defending the practice, which under modern scrutiny has precious little to uphold it. To mutilate a person’s genitals (of either gender) on the pretext that God wants it done is indefensible, and there’s no whitewashing it. To endorse the practice in the name of a God you don’t actually believe in is perplexing. Can you say “at least it heals and stays done” about a girl whose clitoris is removed in the name of Allah? I very much doubt you would. Rather, I suspect the notion is that a male foreskin is akin to the appendix - assumed to be a pointless addition, whose loss is inconsequential.

Indeed, the loss of a foreskin is not equal to the loss of a clitoris. To reach that equivalency, a man would have to suffer the loss of the entire organ. But circumcision is not without consequence. It does have the effect of reducing sensitivity, and thus affects the individual’s potential for the full experience of sexuality in his life. This is obviously not a deal-breaker - cutting the end off clearly doesn’t prevent men from acting as obnoxiously horndoggishly sexual beings afterward. (Imagine if the solution were that simple.) The point is that however one might trivialize it, or minimize its significance compared to what happens to the other gender, it’s still genital mutilation.

In the current social climate, I detect a general sense of disinterest in any concern about what happens to males and their bodies. The trend seems to be that since men have taken up all the oxygen in the room for so long, it’s high time for them to be the ones whose voices are unheard, whose bodies are devalued, whose rights are dismissed. While understandable, this trend is wrong. Inequity isn’t corrected by inversion - that just creates inverse inequity. The goal must be a balance that begins by viewing people foremost from a common denominator - human being - and ensuring that all needs are met equally at that level before moving on to the things that segregate us, such as gender. Humanity is not a group of differentiated species, but one mass population, and for practical purposes identical to each other save for detail. We fail each other when we allow ourselves to value or devalue one another on the basis of those details.

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On 2/7/2021 at 4:16 PM, Cerberus said:

“At least the damage is irreversible” is not a persuasive argument here. And no way am I letting anyone take a scalpel to my favorite chicken nuggets. Not for some religious reason.

(Actually, the statement “it stays done” need not necessarily be true. There are techniques, both surgical and non-surgical, to restore a foreskin.)

[After this I begin to wax a bit philosophical to call it a Random Thought, so feel free to TL;DR]
 

Really, though, and not to take this in a way-too-serious direction, but I’m surprised to see you defending the practice, which under modern scrutiny has precious little to uphold it. To mutilate a person’s genitals (of either gender) on the pretext that God wants it done is indefensible, and there’s no whitewashing it. To endorse the practice in the name of a God you don’t actually believe in is perplexing. Can you say “at least it heals and stays done” about a girl whose clitoris is removed in the name of Allah? I very much doubt you would. Rather, I suspect the notion is that a male foreskin is akin to the appendix - assumed to be a pointless addition, whose loss is inconsequential.

Indeed, the loss of a foreskin is not equal to the loss of a clitoris. To reach that equivalency, a man would have to suffer the loss of the entire organ. But circumcision is not without consequence. It does have the effect of reducing sensitivity, and thus affects the individual’s potential for the full experience of sexuality in his life. This is obviously not a deal-breaker - cutting the end off clearly doesn’t prevent men from acting as obnoxiously horndoggishly sexual beings afterward. (Imagine if the solution were that simple.) The point is that however one might trivialize it, or minimize its significance compared to what happens to the other gender, it’s still genital mutilation.

In the current social climate, I detect a general sense of disinterest in any concern about what happens to males and their bodies. The trend seems to be that since men have taken up all the oxygen in the room for so long, it’s high time for them to be the ones whose voices are unheard, whose bodies are devalued, whose rights are dismissed. While understandable, this trend is wrong. Inequity isn’t corrected by inversion - that just creates inverse inequity. The goal must be a balance that begins by viewing people foremost from a common denominator - human being - and ensuring that all needs are met equally at that level before moving on to the things that segregate us, such as gender. Humanity is not a group of differentiated species, but one mass population, and for practical purposes identical to each other save for detail. We fail each other when we allow ourselves to value or devalue one another on the basis of those details.

True. As you say it doesn't compare to the damage done by FGM, but it is an unnecessary surgical procedure carried out on the genitalia of a child. Not wrong to question that. I've made my foreskin status all too clear so I can't really say anything about losing it. Most men don't seem to care. It's an odd decision for parents to make though. I don't mean to talk about Judaism or Islam here. That's still weird but on a different level. It's common practice in countries like the US and Australia and Canada for non-religious reasons. "What do you want your child's dick to look like?" That's maybe something for him to decide, and a bit of a weird question to ask. From what I've heard there are some minor health benefits, which are weighed against some minor health risks. Roundhead or cavalier doesn't make any difference. Weird fact: John Harvey Kellogg believed that eating his corn flakes and being circumcised would prevent masturbation, which he saw as dangerous and damaging. Fucking weirdo. That is one of the original justifications I've heard for it though - it prevents masturbation. Maybe it did before lube was invented. Circumcision is common in the US. The US also has the largest porn industry in the  world (probably. Not fact checked. Could be Belgium for all I know). Bah! knock one out if you feel like it. Doesn't harm anyone. We all have from time to time. We're only human.  

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17 hours ago, Fluent In Silence said:

Weird fact: John Harvey Kellogg believed that eating his corn flakes and being circumcised would prevent masturbation, which he saw as dangerous and damaging. Fucking weirdo. 

Have you seen The Road to Wellville? You need to watch it. 

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