confused Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 http://www.washingto...DRzU_story.html heh Romeny did release a copy of a short-form certificate of live birth that Obama has already, but not a long form "We missed the press release from Trump, Palin, and Hoekstra demanding Romney come clean with his long-form birth certificate. Maybe they sent it to the wrong address? I'd just hate to think that this four-year-long muckraking quest for more documentation of the President's place of birth was all just a cynical race-baiting ploy or something." http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/where-mitt-romney-long-form-birth-certificate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Did you see Bill Maher's thing on "Wifers?"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/26/bill-maher-wifers-birthers_n_1547939.html There's a video of the routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 hee hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 "Could it be that it was because his car was full of....WIVES?" I'm not saying I believe it, I just am reporting what other people are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I wish he was a unicorn. I'm pretty sure that unicorns don't fucking exist, in which case we wouldn't be dealing with him as a potential president, but rather as a mass delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emettman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 From across the Atlantic, the bigger mass delusion that appears to be in play in the USA is that Obama is a socialist. Either there is some very strange usage of the term being employed, or those using it have never met a real socialist. Perhaps both. From here he doesn't get left of a one-nation Conservative. (as opposed to the now rare "devil take the hindmost" Conservative such as Margaret Thatcher in full flow.) Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 From across the Atlantic, the bigger mass delusion that appears to be in play in the USA is that Obama is a socialist. I'm in the USA and I do hear that a lot in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 From across the Atlantic, the bigger mass delusion that appears to be in play in the USA is that Obama is a socialist. I'm in the USA and I do hear that a lot in the media. Love this, and stealing. I get so frustrated with politics. I'm a liberal in the south. Republicans always get republicans, we get centrists who compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emettman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 It's good to know I'm not quite alone in my perceptions. Now, If only we had a wheelbarrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpladybug Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 When can I get me some of this socialism?? In particular I want some of that socialized medicine. (joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emettman Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 In particular I want some of that socialized medicine. (joking) Not joking: read it and weep? http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/1127.aspx "If you will have to pay for more than 3 prescription items in 3 months, or more than 13 items in 12 months, you may find it cheaper to buy a PPC. The charge for a single prescription item is £7.65, whereas a three month PPC will cost you £29.10 and a 12 month PPC £104.00." Yes, the most you have to pay for *any* number of drug prescriptions in the UK under the NHS is £104 a year. Exempt even from that on medical not financial grounds, I don't have to pay anything at all for my 84 items a year, all scripts being renewed monthly. (Yes, it evens out under taxes, but at least you don't have to panic if poor.) Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirazh Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I love that macro image, hahaha. I AM a unicorn, some of us exist, hrmph. ;P Oh and I wish my country with socialised medicine included prescription meds as part of the system, though that may just be my province since it varies from province to province. Regardless, even though I can see my gdoc and pdoc for free, if I did not have drug coverage from my employer benefits package I doubt I could afford my meds even while working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cetkat Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 From across the Atlantic, the bigger mass delusion that appears to be in play in the USA is that Obama is a socialist. I'm in the USA and I do hear that a lot in the media. Love this, and stealing. I get so frustrated with politics. I'm a liberal in the south. Republicans always get republicans, we get centrists who compromise. Ugh.. tell me about it. FL may swing blue here and there - but I live in the perpetual red part. The republican party is only getting worse too, what with the tea party crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 From across the Atlantic, the bigger mass delusion that appears to be in play in the USA is that Obama is a socialist. I'm in the USA and I do hear that a lot in the media. Love this, and stealing. I get so frustrated with politics. I'm a liberal in the south. Republicans always get republicans, we get centrists who compromise. Ugh.. tell me about it. FL may swing blue here and there - but I live in the perpetual red part. The republican party is only getting worse too, what with the tea party crap. Don't even get me started. My husbands in the IBEW. A large majority of his fellow union members vote republican. No kidding. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 It's not just that Obama is a socialist. Even worse, he's a Muslim. Just ask >50% of the Repubs in MS and AL. Panhandle of FL is South AL. Now they have a choice between a Muslim and a Mormon. Edit: I am not denigrating Muslims or Mormons. The point is that for many in the Deep South, it's one hell of a choice, and a deeply satisfying situation to me. So, what will they do? When in doubt, there is no doubt the vote will be for the white dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamelessCandle Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Why do people consistently vote AGAINST their own self-interests? It baffles me. For example, I would think that ANYONE with a chronic health condition would see the value of universal health care coverage, where they would not have to worry ABOUT whether they are employed, whether government benefits would be there for them, etc. Yet a fairly large portion of these individuals, many of them older citizens and generally more conservative, continue to vote Republican, even knowing about Paul Ryan's plan to drastically change Medicare. Maybe it's "death by voting" (analagous to "suicide by cop"). So, unless they've been living under a rock, voters should know by now that a Republican administration will never (in this political climate) even THINK of supporting a "SOCIALIST" idea such as REAL health care reform that ensures efficient and effective care for everyone. Nor will Republicans ever really desire to work with labor. You know - labor! The people who work hard every day to ensure the "job creators" stay rich and get richer! Yet, as the poster above pointed out, many union members do vote Republican - up to nearly 40%. WHY DO PEOPLE VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS? And while I'm at it, why do people pay any attention to what Donald Trump says or does . . . . just had to get that in here...) We'll deserve what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirazh Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Wait, wait... Obama is a CHRISTIAN, not a Muslim. I'm a Canuck and even I know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Because they've been fooled. They've been fed right wing propaganda in the form of "news". It's a trick, they keep screaming socialism now that the word has been successfully demonized. While everyone's attention is on the danger of socialism they're quietly making this country more and more fascist. Their side depends on dirty tricks, ours think substance matters. Sadly the masses respond to the dirty tricks more, substance means more thinking. Thinking is hard. Who has time to think about politics, it's easier just to get it spoonfed from your local preacher, or fox news, or your parents or spouse. It gives me migraines thinking about the lack of caring or real knowledge most of the people around me have. My doctor has told me to stop watching so much political news lol. It gets me riled up. I love a good dirty political fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 Wait, wait... Obama is a CHRISTIAN, not a Muslim. I'm a Canuck and even I know that. Sadly there are a lot of people in the USA who believe things like Obama is a Muslim and that he was born in Kenya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I get the Randi Rhodes and Stephanie Miller podcasts, and play them as I surf lefty political sites. I read the Washington Post, and some of the LA Times as my "neutral" news sources. I used to get really pissed, but now I just roll my eyes, and shake my head in wonder. Chris, I listen to Friday Night Comedy Hour every week, the one hosted by Sandy Toksvig. I promise you that that panel of comedians is following the US presidential race more closely than the average American. It is embarrassing. I follow UK politics more closely than most in the US, and I still don't get some of the political jokes they make. So my level of knowledge of the UK is not even comparable, and I am considered well informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 NPR is my favorite radio station. I get most of my news from that, or online at various websites. I have a tight group of Facebook friends that are passionate about politics also and we're constantly sharing need to know news stories. I also occasionally watch fox, and listen to rush Limbaugh and Glenn beck. Gotta know what the enemy's thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 NPR is great. Can't watch FoxNews (as a BP1, I need to chill and FoxNews makes me shrill) or, to a lesser extent, MSNBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Aargh, I reposted in a different thread because I got confused. Off to delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 NPR is great. Can't watch FoxNews (as a BP1, I need to chill and FoxNews makes me shrill) or, to a lesser extent, MSNBC. Yes, on the occasion I do I end up ranting incoherently and screaming expletives. Rachel Maddow is my girl though. Love John Stewart and Stephen Colbert also. Laurence O Donnell. I watch Bill Maher every week also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Stephen Colbert has me bent over laughing, and gasping for air at least once per show. We don't get MSNBC! Stupid Comcast. We try to keep up with Rachel on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emettman Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 ...I read the Washington Post, and some of the LA Times as my "neutral" news sources... Chris, I listen to Friday Night Comedy Hour every week, the one hosted by Sandy Toksvig. I promise you that that panel of comedians is following the US presidential race more closely than the average American. It is embarrassing. This may be converging with the Does following world news get you down? thread. I like the BBC online news compared to TV or radio broadcasts, as online you can skip the items you are not interested in and take more of those you are. The BBC also does not neglect the quirky, the local interest and the just fun in its presentations. (try the "odd box") http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18290804 In terms of digging at the news (Though nowadays reality often outdoes anything satire can manage, as (Tom Lehrer noted long ago) Radio 4's "The News Quiz" is very British, though Sandy Toksvig is the current host. I still it is think often better than its TV developmnent "Have I Got News For You". (I'm not sure if these links will be valid in the USA) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01j6whk http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mkw3 The News Quiz has just finished its latest run, alternating with "The Now Show" with its own mad take on a mad world. it will also be available online, if the the above links work. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodos Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Why do people consistently vote AGAINST their own self-interests? It baffles me. Perhaps they believe 1) the role of government isn't to give them free stuff 2) fairness is defined as . . . getting what you deserve. For example, I would think that ANYONE with a chronic health condition would see the value of universal health care coverage, where they would not have to worry ABOUT whether they are employed, whether government benefits would be there for them, etc. Yet a fairly large portion of these individuals, many of them older citizens and generally more conservative, continue to vote Republican, even knowing about Paul Ryan's plan to drastically change Medicare. Maybe it's "death by voting" (analagous to "suicide by cop"). 1) government healthcare always leads to rationing. Death panels. Don't believe it? Remember the liberal commentary over Dick Cheney's heart transplant? "He's old! He's done with his contribution to society - give the heart to someone younger!" 2) The Democrat plan of "do nothing" will also drastically change Medicare 3) Obamacare cuts $500 million from Medicare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 1) government healthcare always leads to rationing. Death panels. Don't believe it? Remember the liberal commentary over Dick Cheney's heart transplant? "He's old! He's done with his contribution to society - give the heart to someone younger!" Personally, I didn't want him to get the transplant because he is a vile, evil person and the sooner he is no longer on this earth, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cetkat Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Why do people consistently vote AGAINST their own self-interests? It baffles me. For example, I would think that ANYONE with a chronic health condition would see the value of universal health care coverage, where they would not have to worry ABOUT whether they are employed, whether government benefits would be there for them, etc. Yet a fairly large portion of these individuals, many of them older citizens and generally more conservative, continue to vote Republican, even knowing about Paul Ryan's plan to drastically change Medicare. Maybe it's "death by voting" (analagous to "suicide by cop"). Perhaps they believe 1) the role of government isn't to give them free stuff 2) fairness is defined as . . . getting what you deserve. The idea that someone doesn't deserve food and medical care is bullshit. Just because life is cruel and unfair doesn't mean people have to be. And things that are sustained by taxes aren't free. People do have a problem accepting help, but that's out of shame.. not what's just. The whole reason for government to exist is to protect its people. I think the real reason people vote against their best interests is that half of them don't realize what they could loose, while the other half care more about pet issues. In the end, they'll risk losing their home to protect their idea of marriage, for example. 1) government healthcare always leads to rationing. Death panels. Don't believe it? Remember the liberal commentary over Dick Cheney's heart transplant? "He's old! He's done with his contribution to society - give the heart to someone younger!" 2) The Democrat plan of "do nothing" will also drastically change Medicare 3) Obamacare cuts $500 million from Medicare You do realize that healthcare already limits transplants to individuals based on a lack of donor organs to go around, right? Ideally, status and money wouldn't buy you a top spot on the list - but it does. I really don't see that ever changing, but I wouldn't be upset if it did. Also, I'm on Medicare. If taking a cut means giving others the right to care that I have - I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodos Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 1) government healthcare always leads to rationing. Death panels. Don't believe it? Remember the liberal commentary over Dick Cheney's heart transplant? "He's old! He's done with his contribution to society - give the heart to someone younger!" Personally, I didn't want him to get the transplant because he is a vile, evil person and the sooner he is no longer on this earth, the better. Yeah, let's make sure you get on on the death panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emettman Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 1) government healthcare always leads to rationing. Death panels. As opposed to rationing by "I've got money, and the devil take anyone who hasn't", to take a different perspective? "Death panels"? I really like the way loaded terms, and that one is way beyond the Plimsoll line, fail to contribute to the discussion of issues. Yes, the UK health service has committees that argue for the best use of available resources and funds, neither infinite. It's not a perfect system, it's not a perfect world. But looking at who gets left behind in the USA, and where the money goes, that same sentence definitely applies. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae-Rae Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 One thing I've noticed, I've never met someone who had socialized healthcare in their country that didn't like it. I'm sure there are those that are dissatisfied, but I haven't met them and I've met quite a few canadians and british people that raved about their system. The only people who I have heard complain have no actual experience other than what they hear from those on the right. Just like the prison system some industries shouldn't be strictly for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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