clownfish Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hello everyone Before you read this please keep an open mind, I must stress that this is not promoting smoking of pot which is dangerous to schizophrenics. Research has been completed in Germany which found that the non hallucinogenic compound in hemp (commonly called marajuana) called cbd is an effective antipsychotic. CBD can be sold in the US as a herbal supplement, do your searches on the Internet to investigate the subject further. If this really works as an antipsychotic the big pharmaceuticals will want to discredit it as it means they will loose billions in revenue.Here is the report on the subject written by TIME on line. http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/30/marijuana-compound-treats-schizophrenia-with-few-side-effects-clinical-trial/ Clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The problem is, people see things like what you posted and they think it means that they should smoke pot. That's not at all what the article is saying. I did some poking around and found this http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/article_pages.asp?AID=4724, which pretty much says, don't do it. The article you posted is 4 or 5 years old. I'm not seeing much after this. I don't know exactly what this means. Did the research not pan out? I guess I could poke around some more but I'm not feeling up to it right now. Maybe someone else will poke at it some more. Or maybe I'll take another look later. Just not right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi Sylvan, you can't have read the article properly it was released in may this year. I do not advocate smoking pot which can increase symptoms of schizophrenia. This is a product which is found in the pot plant which is a non hallucinating compound of the plant.I hope that people will read the article properly as it does not promote the smoking of marajuana.clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi Here is the clinical trial details which were carried out by the university of cologne. http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00628290?term=cannabidiol&rank=9 Hope this validates the article a bit more for you all. Clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 That is the study the article is referencing? It's from 2008. Is there any newer data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi Sylvan, you can't have read the article properly it was released in may this year. I do not advocate smoking pot which can increase symptoms of schizophrenia. This is a product which is found in the pot plant which is a non hallucinating compound of the plant.I hope that people will read the article properly as it does not promote the smoking of marajuana.clownfish I understand completely that the article was not endorsing smoking pot. I am wanting to be certain that people understand that and don't think because of this study that it's ok to smoke pot. That's not what the study is advocating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think The study has just been completed though lodged in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think they registered the trial in Feb. 2008 and marked it as completed in March 2008 - from the change history, that's what it looks like. I had a quick look on PubMed and I didn't see any other human studies that were published - some stuff in foreign language journals, but honestly it's hard to tell what kind of review process some of these journals have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Owww!......bit disappointed that everyone is skeptical about it, I was so excited about something new without side effects and weight gain coming through. Let's hope more research is done on CBD but I doubt it will be....because if it turned out to be true the big pharmaceuticals would lose a lot of money as it is classed as a food currently. A sad clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryp Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think that a lot of us build up some scepticism as a kind of defence - personally I don't want to get my hopes up for a miracle and then find that there isn't anything. These results are promising and hopefully more research will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Elvis Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 FWIW in states where MM is legal, strains are being bread with a lower THC content and higher CBD content so as to be less likely to induce paranoia or psychosis. The problem is that for the past 50 years people have been breeding pot for the purpose of getting as fucked up as possible. Now the legal growers are having to move in the opposite direction and that's going to take many generations of selective breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 clownfish you sound a lot skeptical about the healthcare industry. I had heard of this before. I was wondering if there was more current research. CBD has anti-psychotic and anti-anxiety effects that are very different from THC. If someone could market a product targeting those or negative symptoms they would. There has been research done on fish oil, oats, aspirin for various illnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi Confused, yes I am paranoid about the healthcare industry (I am a "paranoid" schizophrenic after all!:-). It's just that you take the medication and then you need more medication for the side effects of that medication all of which conveniently earns the drugs companies a heap of money. You're right someone else will hopefully pursue more research into cbd as they have with fish oil etc. There is another article on the heathland Time site which states the Israelis have produced a marajuana plant without the high, I think it is high cbd. Just wish I could try some CBD out for my anxiety here but it's illegal here in Australia.Clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi. Guess you guys may not be interested but found a company doing some research into cbd on the web. Unfortunately, they're not covering schizphrenia or anxiety but it is very interesting what they are covering especially the cancer areas which look promising if what they have publicized is true. Clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi. Guess you guys may not be interested but found a company doing some research on cbd http://www.cannabiss...evelopment.html Unfortunately, they're no covering schizphrenia or anxiety but it is very interesting what they are covering especially the cancer areas which look promising. You chaps are cleverer than me and will be able discern whether this is valid research or not. All this has been an eye opener for me. Clownfish I'm not clever. I do see the study in "Translational Psychiatry" from March 2012 but it refers back to the 2008 clinical trials. http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n3/full/tp201215a.html#bib31 I don't know enough about research articles to know why there would be such a delay or if this is new information. They did recommend further study "Nevertheless, our results do provide a rationale for additional clinical testing of selective FAAH inhibitors in schizophrenia." I think there is some conflict of interest in the link you provided since it's a company marketing cannabinoid based pharmaceuticals. I do understand paranoia, I have a psychotic disorder, too-schizoaffective, bipolar type and the frustration with medications and the pharmaceutical industry. I just don't think anyone is interested in holding back worthwhile treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi confused, I think you're right further study is needed. Sorry you felt the website was a conflict of interest, I thought it would be ok as it wasn't selling anything. I have to also argue that talking about main stream atypicals is also a kind of conflict of interest too.However I will remove the link as it has upset you.Clownfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Oh, no that's not what I meant. I just meant that the company doing the study has a stake in getting positive results. Not that there was anything wrong with the link. It didn't upset me. That was just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownfish Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Oh,sorry I misunderstood what you said.I guess you are right they probably just want to promote positive results. I am still searching for a company or institute which will do further research on cbd for schizophrenia but there doesn't seem to be any....very disappointed.It is very strange that they just seem to be publishing articles on this now after 4 years.Perhaps it is a just a hot topic at the moment.thanks guys for bringing me back down to earth on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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