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I have an ipad and a kindle fire. I had the kindle fire first, and loved it. Then it got problematic, would freeze up on me sometimes. I haven't had any problems with the ipad. I have no experience with any of the google or windows tablets on the market, but my husband has been pretty interested in the Nexus ? one.

One thing about apple products is that there are always tons of accessories. I'm typing here on a bluetooth keyboard made for the ipad. Makes it almost like a netbook.

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Any particular reason why you are opposed to the iPad? I have 2 older tablets, and from my experience, if you want a tablet with the functionality of an iPad, the price will be about the same as the iPad.

What do you plan to use it for? If you plan mostly to use it for reading ebooks and surfing the web, the Nook Tablet and the new Kindle Fires are good deals. But if you want to do more (like Skype), you are going to have to pay more.

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I bought an el cheapo android tablet for $76 and it does what I need it to do - I use it mostly to surf the web, look at Facebook, maintain a calendar and read books. I had wanted to use it like a netbook but the keyboard doesn't work with it.

I think if you were to get a higher-end tablet, then you can get keyboard docks that turn it into a netbook. I've tried out a few tablets and I like the Samsung Galaxy tab. I like android more than ipads because there seems to be a lot more apps available for android than for ipad.

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I'm mostly looking for something that is really good with media and doesn't lag on apps or browsing. I have an old nook for reading and a high-end netbook, but I want something easier to carry around when I want the connectivity without the added keyboard and weight. I'm not discounting the ipad, but it tends to be pricier (at least initially), and I like the android OS more - even though it has less app support for the time being. I like knowing that I could modify the OS if needed. Plus, the ipad option is pretty straight-forward, whereas the droid-based market is pretty diverse and takes more research.

In general, I'd want the front and back camera for skype and pictures, HD ability and screen resolution, and probably one with a card slot for added storage (or hot-swap storage). The possibility of a keyboard attachment for travel would be good too. Battery life is important.

I think the ipad screen is probably overkill, and I don't want to try and turn it into a netbook.. so the SSD thing isn't important (plus that's crazy expensive right now.) The 4G is cool, but probably not worth the added cost.

The Kindle Fire looks good, but there's mention of ads that you have to buy out of. That makes me pause. I have Prime, but I think they've made that transferable with an app (I'd have to check on that).

So, I'm definitely looking for something high-end. I want something that's going to last for a while hardware-wise.

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I have an iPad 2 (I realize you said "other than iPad), but I can speak to its lasting ability. I carry mine EVERYWHERE. I cannot live without the internet available constantly, no downs, no caught without it out and about (not that I go many places). It shows little wear and tear (I do have the thing rubber jacketed and screen cover due to young kids who drop things and have dirty hands). It has never "broken down" or frozen. The touch screen remains sensitive and the internal keyboard is bigger on its side, so that's good if you want more keyboard like feel. It is fast, I can use it on a plane (after takeoff, lol), I like the apps I've chosen, and I've just never been disappointed by it. I bought a stand to go with (never used it) and considered a key board, but WTF, I have a notebook computer, so why?

The battery life is extraordinary, though holding a little less after constant use a year later. And I mean it takes hours and hours and hours of constant use all day to get to 50% power.

So mine is older, but holding up just fine. I have no desire to replace it or upgrade.

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I have a personal bias against Apple, but, as I mentioned, I have a couple of Android tablets, and I am unimpressed with them, but I will admit they are on the low middle end of the spectrum. For what you want to do, I would recommend going with an iPad. It will do what you need it to do, and it holds its value so if, after a year or so, you want to buy something else, you can sell it for a good percentage of what you paid for it. If you decide to keep it, you can be assured that Apple will support it for several years into the future. If you think the screen resolution is overkill, you should still be able to get an iPad 2 for about $100 less.

Edit: The downside with the iPad is that it does not have a card slot, but I have seen card readers available for them as accessories. Personally, I really don't like the Apple "walled garden" approach, and I can't understand how they get away with it when Microsoft was in trouble for packaging Internet Explorer as the default browser.

I myself am looking for a tablet because I am back in school and don't want to tote a laptop around. I absolutely need Skype with video to work flawlessly so I am seriously considering iPad. I hate the price, but as far as I can tell, the Android tablets with similar functionality come with a similar price.

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What's important is the ecosystem surrounding each product. With the Kindle you've got all their media including the free stuff you get with Prime. Most other android devices are Google ecosystem based. The nook has B&N content plus android stuff. With the the iPad you get iStuff. If you've already paid for a fair bit of media from any of these services, that should really be the determining factor for which product to get.

I'm a longtime amazon user and went with the Kindle Fire in part because I've got all my books and I can stream all audio and video content I've ever purchased without having to download it to the Kindle. Streaming is actually the recommended way of consuming media with the KF because it has a fairly low disk size and no SD card slot (I have no idea what the new ones have.) You can even upload your own mp3s to Amazon's cloud player and stream them from anywhere else.

The Google Nexus 7 is at the same $200 price point as the ad-free Fire HD and is really the only other thing other than a Kindle or ipad that I'd consider. It's got better hardware specs than the Fire (I think) but lacks the Amazon media ecosystem.

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I'm not purchased into any of the ecosystems. I never cared for iTunes and went the alternative route for my iPod. I've purchased a couple of apps on my android phone and some books for my nook, but that's it. The nook has apps for other devices where you can access your stuff, and the student Prime I have for shipping reasons will transfer to android ok too. (Apparently it has an official app for the iPad already, but there's a couple work-arounds to get flash to work on the Nexus.)

As it's a tablet, I think a 720 resolution should be just fine. I did also just figure out that you can connect a flash drive to the Nexus 7 with an adapter and rooting.

That leaves me with Kindle Fire (dual-band wifi and better speakers) or Nexus 7 (droid customization and much larger app selection). I can't really justify an extra $200-300 for a camera on the back and an actual card slot that comes with the higher-priced droid tablets.

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FWIW you can root the Fire and put the latest android on it as well. By default it runs a highly customized android that only allows you to buy aps from the Amazon ap store.

If you root the Fire you lose the Prime Lending library that lets you check out one book at a time for free from a limited selection. It's also not available to Prime users using anything but a Fire with the stock firmware.

With the default firmware, Amazon blocks a lot of the Google integration that is a major selling point for android on other platforms. If you want the gmail and google office stuff, you'll need to either root the KF or go with the Nexus 7.

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With the default firmware, Amazon blocks a lot of the Google integration that is a major selling point for android on other platforms. If you want the gmail and google office stuff, you'll need to either root the KF or go with the Nexus 7.

I definitely want the Google stuff. Do you know how much support there is for developing compatible ROMs for the KF?

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I mentioned earlier that I was looking for a tablet also. I have decided to go with the new Kindle Fire HD (7 inch as I can't wait until November for the bigger ones). I was considering the Nexus 7, but read several reviews that stated that Skype might be problematic on the Nexus 7, and Skype is something I absolutely must have. Skype comes installed on the Kindle so, presumably, it should work without a hitch. Also, I like the better speakers.

I was reluctant initially because you can get only a selection of choice apps from Amazon and no access to Google Play. But then I thought about it and how many apps I used on my older tablet, and it comes out to less than 10 apps. I need my new tablet mainly to be a Skype communicator. Everything else is just icing on the cake. Furthermore, most of the apps in Google Play are designed for Android phones and many are just junk (I tried many on my older tablet). So I made peace with the smaller app selection provided by Amazon.

I would have liked to buy an iPad, but like Cetkat, I just can't justify the extra $300 for a 16 Gb tablet.

FYI, the 16 Gb Kindle Fire HD first begins to ship tomorrow (Sept. 14).

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I think that's a good choice jt. I've decided to go with the Nexus 7 myself.

After some hunting, the rooting/dual-boot (which was attractive)/making it see the google store/etc.. was just too much of a hassle. There's been some pushed firmware updates from Amazon to fight back against stuff & also a question of loosing features if it sees that it's rooted. So people are going back and forth between rooted and unrooted. I like it when developers leave you alone.

It would have been nice to have the Amazon Prime software installed.. but, realistically.. if they're developing an app (which I've heard they are), that will become a mute point. I also want the GPS/Maps capabilities. That's a hardware thing, so there's no way to get the Fire to do it.

Skype is less important to me, and it's not all that often that I'll be using the tablet in an environment where I'll have the speakers on anyhow. I think that for everything I need, the Nexus pretty much covers it. The google store is mostly crap - however there are one or two that are important (like the Blackboard one my school payed into) that I wouldn't want to not have. My school is too cheap to pay any money to get put on an Amazon version - if it exists.

I am curious if the dual WiFi touted by the Kindle Fire actually does produce more bandwidth. None of the tech sites could actually say if that will amount to any real-world difference, or if it was just a cool spec. I do know the Nexus 7 can be overclocked to 2.0 (I think it's 1.2 stock) - but the general consensus is that it doesn't amount to any real increase. More of a bragging point than anything.

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Best of luck to you Cetkat. I really hope it turns out to be a great tablet for you.

I seriously doubt that I am going to root the Fire when I get it. Or more precisely, I may root it, but I won't install any third-party ROMs. I've had my fill of that when I rooted my old tablet and installed cyanogenmod. It really didn't become much more usable and as I mentioned, I ended up using fewer than 10 quality apps. If I didn't need Skype, I wouldn't even consider getting another tablet because they by-and-large turned out to be useless to me. But that's just me. A lot of people love them.

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Thanks, same to you. So far I'm doing good - no protruding screen issues. Took the risk of ordering online via Amazon when Walmart was out (exchange hassle and all). It has a fix, but why mess with that?

I think for your case, rooting would be less than helpful - or at least leaving it that way. I did see a thread on rooting, installing Play store, and unrooting... so you may want to check that out.

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Yesterday I received my Kindle Fire HD. It is a decent tablet and the screen is gorgeous. The only problem that I have with it is that it serves as a platform for Amazon to pimp their wares, but I knew that when I ordered it so it came as no shock. I've been busy lately, but I will write more about it in my blog in a few days after I've had a chance to really use it. So far so good.

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I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad off ebay, because it was a group special. I love it so far, it responds quickly and the screen is crisp and clear. I think the Thinkpad offer is still on ebay, so if anyone is looking for a tablet, it's a good idea to have a look.

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This thread is helpful, as I may be in the market for a tablet in the coming weeks. I'm trying to decide between the Nexus 7 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2.

In my opinion, of the two you mention, the Galaxy Tab 2 is the better tablet. It only falls short in the display resolution. But it has an sd card slot and a rear-facing camera which the Nexus 7 does not have. The Nexus 7 runs the latest Android OS, Jelly Bean, while Samsung runs Ice Cream Sandwich which is slightly older. Despite this, if I had to choose, I would choose the Galaxy Tab 2.

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Thanks for the advice JT. It helps that the Samsung is also slightly cheaper, at least on Amazon.

$249 seems to be the price-point for both (16GB Nexus). It looks like Amazon is jumping around a bit depending on the seller. Nexus 7 also runs a different processor and graphics.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230573&Tpk=nexus%207

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131287&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA

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I bought an iPad in late August to help deal with my little MI crisis. I am still really learning to use it, but I love it. I do have problems at times with good reception for the ATT wireless card in it, mainly in the interiors of large buildings. One new cool thing, Apple did a major software upgrade a few weeks back, I now have Siri and also can use it as a wireless hotspot.

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CK, do you still like your Nexus 7? My laptop broke and I am VERY tempted to buy one as the price point is extremely appealing.

I'm loving it! I haven't even needed to root it to gain the ability to use flash drives because the 16GB seems to be plenty. The speakers also sound just fine to me, so I'm glad I went with it rather than the Kindle. I do wish it had a rear facing camera for taking pics of powerpoint slides in class or other students' notes when I've missed class - but that's mainly because my phone is old and sucks. I've also realized that the case I use would have just covered a camera anyway.. so I wouldn't have found much motivation to take it out even if it did have one. The 7 inch size is just right too.

The battery life is really good, assuming you don't have a moving background. I recently changed the standard one to a swaying tree with falling snow at the moment - it's cool, but I'll change it back when classes start up again & I'm out of the house for longer periods.

I also have no regrets about not getting one with phone connection capability. Wifi is plenty, and I can always link it to my phone to get online if there isn't a signal. Paying for two data plans seems silly.

I switched from taking my netbook to school to just bringing the Nexus and it's been enough. It's also less cumbersome if you want to reference something during a lecture.

Since they came out with a 32GB, the price has also dropped to $199 - which you've probably noticed, but I figured I'd mention it. I also saw that my university bookstore carries it for the same price - which means a financial aid voucher can probably be used. So, you may want to check your own bookstore and see what your situation is.

The Nexus devices are also the first ones to get android updates, so that's cool. I'm running 4.2.1 now.

Oh, and the three dots on the side that people theorized would be used for docking - that's what they are. They announced that a docking device will be coming out. I don't anticipate using it.. but it's there.

So, yeah.. I like it. ^_^

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:) The only thing that is holding me back right now is wondering if the screen size is too small to really surf the web on. But I would love to have it for travelling, reading textbooks, and taking places when I don't want to haul my massive laptop.
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Well, it does the pinch-zoom thing, so things are just fine there. It's not great for CB chat because when you activate the on-screen keyboard to type, it blocks too much for me. I actually haven't tried the mobile version though - so that could fix that issue.

But as far as general surfing, I have no complaints. You could go to a store that sells them and try it out before buying one. They tend to be able to get online.

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You pull up the settings and go into "Storage". It lists my total space as 13.24GB (what's left after installing android), with 11.81GB available. I haven't been trying to conserve space, so that's pretty good. I'm not planing on using it as media storage (although I do have some videos saved), so I really don't see myself running out. Apps, powerpoints, and words documents don't really take up much space.

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Hm, my mom is going to kick in a little. Now I'm not sure if I want a Nexus or an iPad mini.

On one hand, the mini is bigger and has all the good apps. On the other hand, I won't be able to get as much storage and since I already have an iPod touch, I might not be able to do much more with it and it might feel redundant.

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I think it probably comes down to the platform then. I personally love android and never been a mac fan, so that's an easy choice for me. I still use the old version ipod and never use itunes.

If the thought of having say an iphone is more appealing than an android phone, then you'll probably be happier with the ipad too.

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I guess the thing that I really need to know is how easy it would be for me to move books, audiobooks, and video files back and forth between my home computer and the tablet, and be able to use them. Because either way, I'm not going to buy a lot of content through the onboard stores - I just need to be able to easily access and use the outside content I already have.

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Well, they seem to have Calibre for both, which is something, and iTunes is just fine, so I guess it doesn't really matter. I guess I should go to a store and have a look at them both and see what seems better.

The thing I really find obnoxious about my iPod touch is all those icons that are mandatory and that you can't get rid of, even if you don't use them. My dock is full of junk.

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I bought an iPad in late August to help deal with my little MI crisis. I am still really learning to use it, but I love it. I do have problems at times with good reception for the ATT wireless card in it, mainly in the interiors of large buildings. One new cool thing, Apple did a major software upgrade a few weeks back, I now have Siri and also can use it as a wireless hotspot.

How do you do the wireless hotspot thing? People tell me it can be done but no one can tell me how. I've looked online and I see instructions but when I look at my iPhone, I don't see the same thing that they have in the instructions. I got an iPad for myself for Christmas this year (I always buy myself at least one gift ever since the year that I got nothing.). I'll keep the iPad if I can figure out how to turn the phone into a hotspot. Other than that, I'm thinking it isn't going to give me what I need unless I return it and get the one with the phone built in. But then who wants to carry around something that big as a phone?

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The thing I really find obnoxious about my iPod touch is all those icons that are mandatory and that you can't get rid of, even if you don't use them. My dock is full of junk.

Well, that's fully customizable on the Nexus. It also has a feature where if you drag one icon onto another, they become a multi-icon. It acts as a folder that has a pop-up of whatever was put into it. I have one of all the basics (calendar, calculator, etc) plus school stuff like blackboard. It's a nice way to unclutter the screen

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Today I went to Staples and messed around with both tablets, and I am still conflicted.

The thing that really irks me about Apple is the lack of ability to customize how things look - and especially the obnoxious dock icons that I NEVER use but can't remove. Plus it is significantly more expensive.

The thing that would irk me about Nexus is the lack of high quality apps (including my favourite DBT app!) and having to re-purchase apps I already have on my iPod touch. Plus I hear the customer service is crappy.

I am still not sure which is better for reading ebooks and possibly word-processing stuff. I think the iPad mini has a better selection of keyboard cases. I tried to read on both and it seemed equally (un)comfortable, but reading for 5 minutes is nothing like the hours long sessions I often do. I liked reading on the iPad slightly more though - the interface was cooler looking :P

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Eh.  I got a Nexus 7 today and I have to say, I'm not that impressed.  I can't seem to figure out how to even set it up and I am usually not completely helpless in the face of technology.  It doesn't play my .avi movies and I'm having a hell of a time trying to load my epub library onto it.  Plus the screen just feels too narrow to read on.

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Do any of you guys know a free way to convert my .avi files into something I can watch on a tablet?

 

MX Player for Android can play .avi files. There's a free version and a paid one so you can get the free if you don't wanna pay anything. I use it for my Galaxy Nexus.

 

 

 

 

edit: otherwise you'll be transcoding the files which takes time and degrades the video quality. 

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I tried but apparently you need an app to make it turn sideways.  Maybe in my heart I'm just a crapple girl.

That's an automatic thing. It will actually rotate all the way around - so, if it's plugged in while you're using it, the charger can be on top and not in the way.  What is your current droid version?

One sec.. going to look in settings.. *Insert Jeopardy Music*

Ok. Settings > Accessibility > "Auto-rotate screen" - Check that box

There's also something called "Magnification gestures" there too - I don't have mine activated so I'm not sure what that adds. Perhaps more pinch-zoom to the parts that don't automatically have it?

Under the same menu, there's a box for large text. Under the Settings > Display, there's also one for "Font Size"

 

Do any of you guys know a free way to convert my .avi files into something I can watch on a tablet?

 

MX Player for Android can play .avi files. There's a free version and a paid one so you can get the free if you don't wanna pay anything. I use it for my Galaxy Nexus.

 

edit: otherwise you'll be transcoding the files which takes time and degrades the video quality. 

 

I second MX Player from the app store. It plays most file types & it's free. I also like the interface better.

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I got a new laptop in Nov 2011 and considered getting a tablet, but they were still expensive.

 

Is it easy for to connect a keyboard to a tablet?, as i doubt i would like just a touchscreen.

 

When this laptop breaks i might go for a tablet or a net book as it is cheaper, i need to use the internet and the ability to type, i also need word, calculator and a calender. I have looked and Samsung and HP tablets both seem reasonable in terms of price, I'm not sure i would like the small screen though.

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i'm not a big tablet person (and i hate those weird hybrid laptop tablet what the fuck are they things), and i would never recommend anything made by apple to anyone with an IQ over 75, but the one tablet that never really caught on, but merits a second look, is the samsung galaxy note 3 (the one with the stylus). and as for kindles - I have one of the new, small ones - and i love it... but i have 400+ books/movies/shows on Amazon, so... I wouldn't choose it as a tablet. Anyhow, the note 3 (i'd be surprised if it is still possible to find a brand new one) is the perfect size, as reliable and resililent as these things are, and - the best part - it comes with a stylus, which neatly slides into the tablet when not using. this tablet is amazing. no one will believe me, but mine has - more than once - lasted up to two weeks on standby. it works with or without the stylus (but once you try the stylus, it's hard to putit down) and like most things made recently by samsung, it does everything but take a dump for you. i even have this app on mine - unfortunately, i don't remember what it's called and i don't feel like looking for my tab irhgtnow - that has you go thru maybe 15 different emotions, rating them all between 0 - 100, and when you're done it spits out a numeric value that represents where you are, mood-wise, today. it takes that number, plots it on a graph, and after just a few days, you have a graphical representation of the fluctuation of your moods. i've been doing it for months (it also shows, for comparison, a "normie" graph) and it's actually been really interesting and helpful for both me and my treeating doc.

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I got a new laptop in Nov 2011 and considered getting a tablet, but they were still expensive.

 

Is it easy for to connect a keyboard to a tablet?, as i doubt i would like just a touchscreen.

 

When this laptop breaks i might go for a tablet or a net book as it is cheaper, i need to use the internet and the ability to type, i also need word, calculator and a calender. I have looked and Samsung and HP tablets both seem reasonable in terms of price, I'm not sure i would like the small screen though.

 

It's easy if the tablet is compatible.  My Nexus has four contact dots that would let it connect to a compatible keyboard.  I think most tablets have the capability now, you just have to make sure to pick a keyboard that uses your tablet port.  They are mini-keyboards though.  They're going to be the length of the tablet, so depending on hand-size, they can be hard to type on.

 

Whatever you do... don't buy one of those tablet/laptop hybrids.  (aka Win 8 touchscreen semi-laptops)  They're crap and will disappear soon.

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This is a really old post... but I wanted to give a brief update to mention that after all this time, I'm still very happy with my Nexus choice.

 

There's a new Nexus 7 out (I have the old one); but with the whole tech advancing and possible buyers remorse - I thought it may be good to share that I haven't had any regrets.

 

It was a good choice for me, and I haven't ever wished I'd gotten anything else it. It also seems to do everything I need it to even now.   ;)

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I got a new Kindle HDX and it works great for Skype and everything else.  I flashed my old first generation one with cyanogenmod and it's OK.  I got a new one because after a few hundred recharges the battery life was starting to really suck and it's even worse now.

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Well, I've still got my Kindle Fire HD from 2 years ago. I can't say that I'm thrilled with it. It is completely dependent on an internet connection (wireless and not ad hoc) to do something so simple as set the time. Also, all apps have to "phone home" after so much time else they stop working. The problem is that I don't have a wireless connection at home because my internet is dial-up.  :glare: I'm going to look into flashing cyanogenmod to see if that makes it better.

 

To be honest, I really lost interest in it after about six months. I really have no need for a tablet, but I would like to use it occasionally to read pdfs. But first, I'm going to go to McDonald's to use their Wi-Fi because the incorrect time just drives me batty.

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You can't use a tablet without wifi or wireless, one of the two.  They take it for granted that they have a near constant broadband connection and really aren't good for much without one.

 

Well, before the Fire, I had the original Nook Color reader which I flashed cyanogenmod onto, and I was able to get it to recognize an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network with my laptop and download some apps and do all sorts of things. But you are right - the Fire HD expects a constant Wi-Fi connection and is useless without it. In general, I really have no use for a tablet except maybe as a reader. It would be nice to be able to set the clock though.

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I got a new Kindle HDX and it works great for Skype and everything else.  I flashed my old first generation one with cyanogenmod and it's OK.  I got a new one because after a few hundred recharges the battery life was starting to really suck and it's even worse now.

 

Do you think it's the actual battery or how the OS utilizes it that is the problem?

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Just a two cents worth on dual band. I find it highly satisfactory to have routers on 5 Ghz channels. The 2.4Ghz band is wall to wall signals so throughput is comprimised.

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