melissaw72 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpladybug Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am on my phone. If I had my laptop I could type.a fucking book in response. 2009. Equal pay for equal work 2009. Save the auto industry which now has thousands of new, good jobs 2009. Credit card reform 2009. Hate crime prevention act 2009. Patient privacy / affordable care act Preventive care paid @ 100%, Mental Health Parity!!!!!, no pre ex for children, I could talk for 20 mins about these good things. 2010. Student loan reform 2010. Wall street reform and regulations 2010. Middle class tax cuts 2010. Repeal of DON'T ASK DON'T TELL !!!!! 2011. Raising fuel efficiency standards 2011. Ending the war in Iraq If I had my laptop I could write more. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY MORE JOB CREATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koa Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I agree with ladybug. Obama has done a lot. He needs four more years to get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpladybug Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 OBAMA does not keep billions in off shore accounts. Arbitrage, leveraged buyouts, raiding pensions, laying off americans and ouysourcing their jobs overseas - this is everything ugly, greedy, and unpatriotic about Mr. Romney. As nice a man as he seems his career is despicable. Mass. Was in terrible shape after his one term as Governor. PLUS he put his dog in a crate and strapped it to the roof of his car for a LONG vacation drive!! WHAT sort of person does that???? How could u sleep at night if you closed a plant, laid off 20,000 people, sent their jobs to Asia, destroying a town's economy and tens of millions or hundreds of millions in the process. He is the FUCKING imbodiment of the Corporate greed which is destroying our country. Plus he abused his dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpladybug Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 OBAMA does not keep billions in off shore accounts. Arbitrage, leveraged buyouts, raiding pensions, laying off americans and ouysourcing their jobs overseas - this is everything ugly, greedy, and unpatriotic about Mr. Romney. As nice a man as he seems his career is despicable. Mass. Was in terrible shape after his one term as Governor. PLUS he put his dog in a crate and strapped it to the roof of his car for a LONG vacation drive!! WHAT sort of person does that???? How could u sleep at night if you closed a plant, laid off 20,000 people, sent their jobs to Asia, destroying a town's economy and tens of millions or hundreds of millions in the process. He is the FUCKING imbodiment of the Corporate greed which is destroying our country. Plus he abused his dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo 'n dye Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Opinions! are they not wonderful? We each have, or so it seems, at least one about the presidential nominees. A very wise person once said that opinions are like rectums, we each have one and think that all rectums stink, with the exception of our own. My hope is to one day be able to cast my vote FOR someone rather than AGAINST someone. ETA: I apologize in advance for the questions, but does posting twice make our opinions stronger?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It is always shocking how the presidency ages men (and hopefully, women, in the future). That's what happens when you don't sleep for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpladybug Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 note: one of my posts posted twice because I was posting from my phone...and I am too old for that. My desktop CRASHED from a fucking malware virus, and my laptop battery died and must be ordered. So I am stuck with my phone. I dod not post twice on purpose, obviously..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo 'n dye Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 note: one of my posts posted twice because I was posting from my phone...and I am too old for that. My desktop CRASHED from a fucking malware virus, and my laptop battery died and must be ordered. So I am stuck with my phone. I dod not post twice on purpose, obviously..... But, if I had not asked I would not have known, right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Elvis Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm in a super read state so I'm going to vote for Jill Stein since it won't matter anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissaw72 Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't even want to imagine what the next 4 years will be like, regardless who is president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodoldneon Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 With the exception of a few social and monetary issues, very little seperates republicans and democrats - it's essentially one party system with a more liberal wing and a more conservative wing. At the end of the day, both parties are beholden to their corporate underwriters - Obama's Whitehouse has been every bit as downright evil and beholden to corporate interests as Bush's - unfortunately, liberals have given him a free pass. If you can't see it, you're simply not paying attention. So, to make a long story short - I'll be voting for Jill Stein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodoldneon Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 PLUS he put his dog in a crate and strapped it to the roof of his car for a LONG vacation drive!! WHAT sort of person does that???? How could u sleep at night if you closed a plant, laid off 20,000 people, sent their jobs to Asia, destroying a town's economy and tens of millions or hundreds of millions in the process. He is the FUCKING imbodiment of the Corporate greed which is destroying our country. Plus he abused his dog. By no means am I sticking up for Romney - but if we're to be honest with ourselves, what sort of person authorizes the killing of civilians? http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/militants_media_propaganda/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't even want to imagine what the next 4 years will be like, regardless who is president. i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo 'n dye Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Ralph isn't running this year, so Jill it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtclms Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Thanks for explaining that, goodoldneon. Because being a political junkie and a lawyer, I only have the most rudimentary understanding of the history of the political system and our parties, That, and our long-time tendency to commit war crimes totally eluded me. Having said that, Obama v Romney? Don't make me laugh. Plus, do you think Romney won't use signature strikes if he has the chance? Do you think that he won't go to war with Iran, for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
december_brigette Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Romney. runs and hides, db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodoldneon Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I won’t argue the details – because frankly, I really and truly no longer care which franchise wins – and, I’ve had this discussion about one hundred times too many – but at the end of the day, ten, twenty or forty years from now, the system, such as it is, will look very much like it does today because it’s not broken. In the eyes of the majority it may appear as though it’s not working – and increasingly, it’s not – but the government isn’t set up to help them, as was made obvious by the financial meltdown (which also served as the largest upward redistribution of wealth in history) – and their needs, always, always, always come first. I came across this quote recently – I think it’s an excellent summation of our current political system: “One day the truth came to me. A wise man once said that every system is designed to give you the results you actually get. If you understand that, you’ll see that this system is working. “For some people,” Pepper said. Dr. Anand shook his head emphatically. “No. Wrong. The system is working exactly right for those it was intended for. That’s why it hasn’t been fixed. Because it isn’t broken.” - Victor Lavalle – The Devil in Silver As far as Iran, my guess, Israel will have the final say as to whether we start yet another war – it will occur regardless of who is at the helm. Oh, and this: http://truth-out.org...ll-we-have-left And I'll throw this in as well: http://www.rollingst...street-20120918 Oh and what the hell: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/ag-eric-holder-has-no-balls-20120815 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo 'n dye Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Romney. runs and hides, db No need for that. However, having heard this empty rhetoric for far too many years, I do take exception. As a critical thinking human, I simply can no longer offer my support/vote to any corporate duopoly candidate and maintain a sense of personal dignity. Obama, while not responsible for the most outrageous white collar crime this country has experienced to date, condoned the pillage now know as the 2008 Financial Meltdown. He did not condemn the perpetrators, Wall Street et al, rather he appointed some to positions of authority in his administration. His actions, or rather lack of actions, make him an accessory to the crimes. President Romney...just the thought makes me light-headed and nauseous. I shudder to think of his first appointment to the Supreme Court. So, until and unless someone can demonstrate to me how voting my conscience and marking my ballot for a third party nominee is casting my vote for either Obama or Romney (depending on your own duopoly leaning), I will proudly mark the ballot consciously and deliberately. I hope every citizen will do the same. ETA: As said so eloquently above, this is not a case of the best man/woman winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larkspur Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I think we all know that it depends on what state one resides in, with all the intricacies of the electoral college. If one lives in a state like New Mexico, Colorado, or Nevada, for example, a principled vote for Jill Stein does function as a vote for Romney, because of the two viable candidates, obviously Obama would be preferable as a winner to a Stein supporter, but Obama loses a vote in that close contest when the principled voter chooses Stein. Should the principled voter live in California or Arizona, though, states which will clearly go for Obama or Romney respectively, the vote for Stein does not impact the overall outcome of the state and those votes should be encouraged to foster support for third party candidates in future elections. (Run, Jill, Run!) If I lived in Oregon this year, I'd be voting for Jill. I live in Nevada, so I'm voting for Obama. Swing state politics, gotta do what you gotta do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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