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Have you heard this? What do you think about it? Is it true? Is it an oversimplification?

 

I saw a new counsellor last Friday and he said this to me and it made me uncomfortable. Not because it isn't applicable in many situations, but I do think it vastly oversimplifies depression - specifically clinical depression. 

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Yes, it is an oversimplification.  For me anxiety fuels depression and I'm sure there is a biochemical component.  I worry about the past and regrets but I don't feel angry.  I have heard that before, though

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It's not only an oversimplification it's also insulting and minimizing.  The clear implication is that once you stop self-loathing then you will be magically not depressed.  That is just not the case.  It also implies that the depression is our fault and that a few basic coping skills will cure it.

 

It's pretty idiotic and kind of pedantic.

 

Honestly, that shit pisses me off.  Grrrrrr.

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My old therapist used to say that to me, too. I hated it then and I hate it now; it's definitely an oversimplification. Depression is complex and can't be reduced to a fun little maxim lazy tdocs can use in their forty-five minute therapy sessions.

Not to mention, "anger turned inwards" sounds an awful lot like "if you weren't so angry/bitter/a-raging-c*nt all the time, you wouldn't be depressed". Not helpful at all.

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I also think it is an over simplificaiton.  In some cases it might be true.

But it ignores the biological and seasonal aspect of depression.

 

Bipolar depression, MDD, Postpartum depression - those are real and biological.

 

I don't think I could trust a counselor who believed that.

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Depression is biochemical in nature for the vast majority of people on this list.

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Why would we need psychiatrists and medications if some therapy sessions

to release our anger could cure us????????

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Psychologists many times do not want to accept that MI mostly is biochemical in nature and all the talking in the world will not change that.

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Thanks for the responses. They're actually making me feel a LOT better because when he said that, I was thinking that he was implying my depression was about resentment or unresolved feelings. I don't know if I'll go back to see him because he describes himself as a "depth oriented brief therapy" specialist and his therapy deals with core energetics. Sounds too wishy-washy for me. I'm a very literal and straightforward person and there was a lot of silence in this meeting because I could not relate to what he was saying and at some points I thought it was ridiculous and sounded very much like a cheap new age self-help book.

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You might like CBT.

 

It is very straight forward and evidence based.

 

 www.­academyofct.­org

 

 

i wonder what Core Energetics is.....

oh dear, there is a reference to it on the Cult Education Forum

 

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,77760,95563

 

 

http://www.core-energetics-south.com/

 

my, run, don't walk, away from this guy IMHO

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I had a tdoc who used to say this to me. I'm not going to her any longer. She was obsessed with that idea and wouldn't let it go even after I expressed my concerns about it. It is definitely oversimplifying, in my opinion.

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Psychologists many times do not want to accept that MI mostly is biochemical in nature and all the talking in the world will not change that.

I had a tdoc who kept saying she thought i was on too much medication so I persuaded my pdoc to reduce it and I had an anxiety/depression episode.  I had been doing really well, too

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I had a therapist tell me that once, and I said, "well, I guess that makes therapy bullshit turned outwards."

 

That isn't true, but if that's ALL your care providers think is going on, then I'd think there's a problem.  Like everyone else has said, it's minimizing, and it's not helpful to you at all.  I know plenty of people without any kind of issues whatsoever who are depressed.  People who had good childhoods, good relationships, good jobs, all of those things, and this kind of crap still happened to them.

 

I do realize that there is situational depression (my mom had it horribly after her father died), and sometimes talking stuff out and getting on medication are helpful for them for a little while, but then, stuff more or less goes back to normal for them.  Most of the people here don't have that kind of experience.

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Anger turned inward can definitely sink into depression.  I know of a few people where that has happened.  Depression comes in all shapes and sizes and colors and smells and tastes.  I have noticed over the years that when my hubby is depressed, which is very rare but happens, his tends to be anger turned inward.  And if I am frustrated and overly angry about a situation, a well placed trigger can definitely spiral me into a depression.

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bpladybug - I've been in CBT programs and found them very helpful, honestly. That was the main approach of my old therapist who I no longer see anymore unfortunately. The thing about this guy is he works at counselling and development at my university and they offer you 12 sessions free, so I thought I could try to get support there. It's clear that they are/or maybe just he is is not equipped to deal with people with longterm mental illnesses. I saw my first psychiatrist at age 5 - this is not about anger being turned inwards.  :glare:

 

megan - Your comment about therapy made me laugh out loud and that's hard to do.  ;)

 

water - I agree that in certain cases, especially situational depression, anger and resentment are definitely at the root of it. I can think of many people with a lot of resentment and unresolved anger/grudges that just can never enjoy anything because they can't get over it. My childhood wasn't perfect, as with everyone I have "unresolved issues" that need to be worked through in time, but it's not the cause of my depression or my OCD or any of my other conditions. I'm mentally ill and those unresolved tensions, living in a unhealthy environment, and cognitive distortions, etc. just exacerbate it.

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My childhood wasn't perfect, as with everyone I have "unresolved issues" that need to be worked through in time, but it's not the cause of my depression or my OCD or any of my other conditions. I'm mentally ill and those unresolved tensions, living in a unhealthy environment, and cognitive distortions, etc. just exacerbate it.

 

I totally agree with this. I don't think anger is a 'cause' of depression, just another trigger.  And stuffing anger, not expressing it, is also another trigger. 

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I am rarely angry and had a happy, bucolic childhood.  There is something going on with the chemicals in my brain to cause this depression. 

 

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No therapist has ever said this to me, but I've heard it said elsewhere. It's bullshit.

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