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I have schizophrenia as you know. It runs in the family. I am so tempted to smoke pot since starting to abuse alcohol and cigarettes. I know I shouldn't but I meet so many people that smoke a joint and not go psychotic. Even after 10 years, surprisingly. Maybe I might be one of the lucky ones? Maybe not...

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Well, that sounds like a logical, mature plan.  You are already abusing cigarettes and alcohol, so now you're going to introduce a possibly damaging psychoactive substance into your body.  I can't imagine why you think this is a good idea.

 

But then, I'm not young.

 

olga

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Do you have any evidence to suggest that you would be lucky and escape unscathed in this regard?  Because there is evidence the other way, that suggests that people with schizophrenia don't tend to fare well when they smoke hallucinogens (of which weed is one).

Have you tried asking your schizophrenic family members about their experiences with weed? 

I understand wanting to smoke weed. The vast majority of my friends do, without problems. But, for me, it's a problem and I need to avoid it. It's rough that I need to be the sober one while watching them have fun. But it's less bad than dealing with the consequences.

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I don't know. I have schizophrenia and wound say that if you're stable, don't chance it. But Ive spent a lot of years unstable and am just barely able to imagine stability now. I don't think I really appreciated how difficult stability could become for several years after diagnosis though. it's only because more recently I decompensated so badly that I would say don't do anything to bring it on I'd exacerbate it.

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I don't know what I can say that isn't stating the obvious but I don't think that's a good idea. I don't have any advice for resisting the temptation but I would say that while "just once" might not be so bad, once leads to twice very easily. I can empathize with your curiosity. I have certainly smoked pot. I reacted terribly to it, which has really saved me from become a regular user and suffering the consequences of that. I think it's a really bad idea for anyone with MI, especially involving psychosis, to smoke weed. Stay away, is my advice.

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I would say don't do anything to bring it on I'd exacerbate it.

That's the reason I quit doing drugs. I just felt I had to give myself the best possible chance of stability in the future. I decided the small thrill I got wasn't worth making my illness worse, potentially forever. Even if you don't know that it will, is it worth taking the chance? 

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i just re read my post and want to note two things that were in my head but apparent;y didn't make it on to the screen

 

1.you have a family history....i do too and in my experience....and i have neither a lab coat nor a population of schizophrenics to sample....but my family has a lot of people schizophrenia and alcoholism. i think it's possible that your temptation is stronger because you're drinking...it lowers inhabitation. i think if alcoholism runs in your family too...you should really try to avoid drinking because i think we're more prone to developing a problem. (with the cigarettes...i smoke like a goddamned chimney when remotely psychotic...and i get it...so...nothing to say there.)

 

2.are you paranoid schizophrenic? if so and you have persecutory and/or thought control patterns of thinking... yeah, sure...people who *don't* have paranoid schizophrenia may smoke truckloads of it and not become psychotic. the fact that we end up psychotic without anything at all...i think does not bode well.  instead of looking at it like...all these people can do it and are fine...consider that smoking pot can make normal people feel paranoid and its an hallucinogen. and then when tempted to try it...imagine the worst episode you've had....and double the feelings of paranoid....double the number of voices you have...and consider that really, really is a strong possibility.  i think looking at it like that.... and as i said earlier.....i was a NOT concerned much of anything in my twenties....but fuck, let me tell you...schizophrenia is progressively degenerative and you want to do whatever you can to avoid decompensation...i've spent the past few years just in hell....and i'm still in hell. by the time i'm considered moderately functional again... this illness will rob you of a lot of time and...just life lived... try not to feed it because it's already a formidable opponent.

 

 

best wishes to you

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I've always believed that the few years I smoked pot when I was young led to my mental issues, mainly because they seemed to start around the same time, and I had some scary and very paranoid experiences when I smoked.  I finally stopped just because it had become bad every time I smoked it.  There are millions of people in the world who seem to be able to smoke it and it benefits them (or they believe it does), but I'm going to guess that they don't have any mental issues, or if they do, for whatever reason pot acts as the correct medication for them.  Everyone's brain is different, which is one med may work perfectly for one person and be terrible for another.  If I could go back, and wouldn't smoke it.

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I know it sure as hell never made me any better. I smoked daily for like, six years. It didn't do anything bad while I was high, but I never got any better. Then near the end there, it made me WEIRD. Anxiety ridden, kinda paranoid and all around awful. I stopped because it's better for my mental state, and that was before I even realized there'd been a problem forever.

 

I CAN'T smoke it now. I won't do any drugs anymore. NONE. After that little "psychotic" thing I had, I'm not willing to chance drug induced psychosis. Bad idea for me, personally. 

 

It makes some people feel a lot better, that being said. But you don't know if you're one of them.

 

I was abusing alcohol for a long time (not daily or anything) when in bad episodes. I'm not doing that anymore either. It's just not good for my brain.

 

I wouldn't chance it. That's just me though.

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Given your previously expressed stance on your ultimate suffering, and now that you're feeling lucky, for a mere $20 you could go whole hog and get some rock.  Just think about how you would really be able to brag protest about how much worse you had it than others.

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Thank you for ur answers. At the moment I'm craving for alcohol, lolly water - never the hard stuff. IDK what brought this on. I never used to be like this.

 

Are you in therapy?  Might be a good time to talk to someone about why you are now craving the 'hard' stuff.  Posting before trying is very self-preserving.  LIsten to your instincts.  Not a good time to be delving into yet another chemical substance that could totally interfere with your current meds.

 

I like your username. 

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People with disorders that include psychosis, such as SZ disorders, from what I've read tend to not fare very well with pot, hallucinogens, etc.  Chances seem pretty high that you wouldn't be one of the "lucky ones."

 

If you've been experiencing higher cravings for alcohol, I also encourage you to seek out a doctor and talk with them about this.  Could be you needing to self-medicate something (which of course, it would be better to have it properly medicated under professional supervision.)

 

Would also remind anyone reading & participating in this thread that this is the addictions forum, focus is on not doing things, never about theories or tips about "doing it safely."

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Happy2beyoung,

 

What is worse in your ultimate suffering book? Schizophrenia or being an alcoholic and pot addicted person that induced his own psychosis?

 

Don't go down this path. You will probably, and when I say probably I am being over cautious with the word, induce psychosis. I don't know why you think this would be a good idea. Street Drugs are bad kids, mmkay? Bad for everyone but especially bad for those of us who experience psychosis already. It just doesn't mix well. Never has never will.

 

Take care of yourself by coming clean with your pdoc about your substance abuse issues.

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People with disorders that include psychosis, such as SZ disorders, from what I've read tend to not fare very well with pot, hallucinogens, etc.  Chances seem pretty high that you wouldn't be one of the "lucky ones."

 

 

 

 
I like what MI says here, and it's my thought on the order.
I've thought about trying it too...but I won't -- I don't take chances that could mess up my mental health. 
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I am Bipolar 1.  I last smoked pot over thirty years ago.  I will NEVER forget the intense paranoia.  It was HORRIBLE.  Further more I had disassociation which lasted for weeks. 

 

Smoking pot was terrible for my brain and I remember and shudder over 30 years later.

Protect your sanity.

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Okay, I know it has all been said but I will add this.  My husband is pretty stable and sane, I am the crazy one.  Most of our family (both sides) are crazy too, so he is a rarity.  Anyway, if he smoked (past tense) pot he would get extreme paranoia and feel really nutso.  Me, on the other hand, I felt great and time went really fast, it was as though everything was clearer for me BUT I don't really know what others saw and I suspect how I felt was not real.  I wouldn't do it in a great hurry and to be honest, the only times I did was when I was out drinking and met people I knew who smoked pot.  They would offer it to me and I thought it was a great idea.  I am now older, have a kid and less of a social life (also less socialisation with people who could be a bad influence!). 

 

My brother in law is another one who smoked (still smokes actually) pot and he really is nuts, but he has never sought any treatment and has not been diagnosed to the best of my knowledge.  Now, at the age of about 40, he has lost his long term job, has nowhere to go, no real accommodation and has really f**ed up big time with my niece (now his EX wife); his kids hate him - you can see where this all goes! Not a good outcome or way to end up in life!

 

The point is, pot affects everyone to some degree and it is not a normal state of being. even if it is touted as being "natural".  Plus, the times I took pot were my choices, I could have said no but I was already under the influence of the drug alcohol.  You see, I reckon I have an addictive personality and it is really easy for me to choose the wrong path/make the wrong decision and I have to be vigilant as I have other crutches still - though they are healthier, like I love food but I try to eat mostly healthy, low fat, etc.  I choose to go out walking at least 5x week for around an hour each time.  Think about your health, your sanity and how your life could end up - all based on YOUR choices. 

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