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I'm an athiest. Convince me otherwise and it would be greatly appreciated

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 I know jt I'm just going to steer clear of this thread.......My faith means the world to me...........If anyone wants to debate and share the views without getting kicked off i suggested the christianforums.com. There is even a link that goes straight to the creation vs evolution. But that is for those who just want to debate with christians. Other religions I guess you'll have to find those.

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Here's a nice piece about a "mature" atheism:

 

This is rationalism coming to peace with its limitations. It’s not rationalism that is particularly limited, but people, and that’s okay. Because the measure of a person, and the worth you place on them, is not their capacity for being reasonable.

 

The journey doesn’t end here, though, because you can’t view the mass of humanity as mentally handicapped and deserving of the same compassion as a wheelchair-bound cripple without at the same time having a debilitating sense of arrogance and self-regard.

 

Read the whole thing

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" Is there a god?"

" What is it that asks the question?"

Nice opinion piece.

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" Is there a god?"

" What is it that asks the question?"

 

 

Well, something that doesn't fit into the deity class on my Venn diagram.  A definite miss-match of attributes.

 

Chris

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 I know jt I'm just going to steer clear of this thread.......My faith means the world to me...........If anyone wants to debate and share the views without getting kicked off i suggested the christianforums.com. There is even a link that goes straight to the creation vs evolution. But that is for those who just want to debate with christians. Other religions I guess you'll have to find those.

 

I've  just got my acceptance confirmation back this minute.

 

Creation vs Evolution is still a debate?   

Oh, well.  At least that's the "God-guided evolution" idea no longer in the frame.

 

Chris

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And him asking want to bet wasn't crossing the line.....Sounds like you after me again. and again and again and again.

 

 

 
"What I went thru science cannot explain since others went thru it too."
 
"Want to bet?
Personally I've had some remarkable {experiences}, religious and otherwise, but there's no *necessity* to invoke a deity to account for them, or to consider them proof of a particular version of theism."
 
The comment was not aimed at the content of your belief but at your presentation of it as a solid universal fact.
"It is my belief that science can't..."  I could not and would not have raised an eyebrow at.
But to be told an absolute without substantial support, now that's something I watch for.
 
Anyway, see you over there.
Chris B

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Oy vey.

 

I've already done my worst forum visitation, years back... which I enjoyed immensely.

I'm strictly "animal mechant" these days.

 

Chris

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" Is there a god?"

" What is it that asks the question?"

Well, something that doesn't fit into the deity class on my Venn diagram. A definite miss-match of attributes.

Chris If you are not your body, not your brain, not your thoughts and feelings, what is the self?

You see...supposing there are gods ( I tend to think so, you don't...) they don't seem to be paying much attention to us.

So self-exploration tends to be a more practically productive endeavor... And since nobody strapped that Zen Buddhism down very well I ran off with it...

As far as debating Christians...circular reasoning is circular. I have given up beating my head on that round, hard wall.

I wish you better luck.

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" Is there a god?"

" What is it that asks the question?"

Well, something that doesn't fit into the deity class on my Venn diagram. A definite miss-match of attributes.

Chris

 

If you are not your body, not your brain, not your thoughts and feelings, what is the self?

Something in that mix, but nothing transcendent from it.

And something rather other than what I might naively consider myself to be.

Owing to Libet's experiments on decision-making, for one thing.

And for another noting the curious phenomenon that I can make progress with cryptic crosswords, that I couldn't manage when I was awake, while I am asleep.

The typographically identical "I" there clearly not referring to the same "I" each time.

 

 

You see...supposing there are gods ( I tend to think so, you don't...) they don't seem to be paying much attention to us.

So self-exploration tends to be a more practically productive endeavor... And since nobody strapped that Zen Buddhism down very well I ran off with it...

I've borrowed some bits from there, but could see reasons not to want the whole hog.

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... You basically continued to describe what the self is not. Can you describe what it is precisely?

...as far as decision making and the crossword thing, that's a useful function of the subconscious.

You just tell it to work on something, then ignore it.

The process can actually work better when you withdraw attention in many cases, at least in my experience.

Is that subconscious computation of the self? Or not? If it occurs but you are not aware of the background process, is it you?

Pardon the ramble, but...

Since I'm DID, exactly what the self is becomes an even weirder question...because they are all me...for a given value of me...but the majority of them would disagree that they are me...though they started as me...and they share the same head as me.

They operate autonomously, and I may or may not know what they are up to.

Everything that happened to them happened to our body...they emote through me...they have a somewhat different history and mindset than I do...they don't feel like me...but they are me...

Much of what I once thought was me is them.

I'd be upset, but I'm rather made not to feel very upset, as we were aggressed upon for any emotions.

I'm a cover for the others who feel more deeply.

If upset occurs it's someone doing that through me, and nobody else was surprised about my role in here.

I was the last to get the memo.

I am not necessarily the one who makes the really big decisions in the head.

I find the above unsettling, but very surreally funny.

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If someone has to be convinced of something, what's the point?  I honestly don't know if there is a god or not, but I try my best to let people have their own opinions on the matter. 

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Oy vey.

 

I've already done my worst forum visitation, years back... which I enjoyed immensely.

I'm strictly "animal mechant" these days.

 

Chris

 

lol

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Oy vey.

 

I've already done my worst forum visitation, years back... which I enjoyed immensely.

I'm strictly "animal mechant" these days.

 

Chris

 

lol

 

 

 

I can't remember how I got there: browsing groups available at at bit collection of forums, quite possibly, but a live chat in a "witchcraft" group caught my eye.  I got along there quite nicely for almost an hour, having entered as Matthew Hopkins,  until a new person turned up and exploded.

 

Chris.

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Man, I know I hope you read the rules....I think your a person that will take the time to do that.

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Oy vey.

 

I've already done my worst forum visitation, years back... which I enjoyed immensely.

I'm strictly "animal mechant" these days.

 

Chris

 

lol

 

 until a new person turned up and exploded.

 

Chris.

 

 

 

Ya you'll get those from time to time.

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Man, I know I hope you read the rules....I think your a person that will take the time to do that.

 

There was nothing in them against assuming the identity of the English Witchfinder General.

 

I was expecting to be called out within ten seconds, but so few seem to know their history these days...

 

Chris

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next time use Cotton Mather and see if you get quicker results

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