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If somebody needs to be listened to or helped so goddamned bad they attempt suicide?

I think they need some fucking attention. Helpful, appropriate attention.

Human beings need each other.

We ALL need attention.

Think about it.

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"into the Susidal thing" is a curious way to put it. i think that sometimes people get to a point where they don't know how to express the size of their feelings by any means other than hurting themselves, and that it damn well does need to be taken seriously.

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Some people do go to extremes for attention and it's all about helping those people and give them attention and help them understand that negative attention and being pitied is not very attractive  and teach them positive ways of getting attention such as making something of your life and being praise

 

Praise  > Pity

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Some people do go to extremes for attention and it's all about helping those people and give them attention and help them understand that negative attention and being pitied is not very attractive  and teach them positive ways of getting attention such as making something of your life and being praise

 

Praise  > Pity

What is your point, precisely? That suicidal people become suicidal just to get attention? I'm not even sure what you mean. Have you ever feigned being suicidal to get attention? Because otherwise, why would you think something like that? Could you perhaps clarify?

 

Praise is less than pity? Or did you mean praise leads to pity? Because in either case, I don't understand what you mean.

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Some people do go to extremes for attention and it's all about helping those people and give them attention and help them understand that negative attention and being pitied is not very attractive  and teach them positive ways of getting attention such as making something of your life and being praise

 

Praise  > Pity

What is your point, precisely? That suicidal people become suicidal just to get attention? I'm not even sure what you mean. Have you ever feigned being suicidal to get attention? Because otherwise, why would you think something like that? Could you perhaps clarify?

 

Praise is less than pity? Or did you mean praise leads to pity? Because in either case, I don't understand what you mean.

 

Sorry, there are few people who say they feel suicidal and don't mean it, I meant those people, NOT all suicidal people. I felt suicidal in the past and it's horrible and if certain people say they are suicidal and they lying to get attention is not very appealing is it...I bet u felt suicidal in the past, you know how bad it feels...if some people lie and use suicide for attention It's not very nice is it. They glorifying something that is really serious! They are taking the piss out of people who actually felt suicidal an they need help

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If folks need attention so badly that they are saying that they are suicidal then something is wrong. They are just as in need of care as someone who is suicidal.

I definitely agree, It just gets to me when there are people that feel truly suicidal and they can't get a bed in psychiatric wards because some people need attention that bad and they get the beds...I mean if they do actually try, the ones who need attention then yeah sure they should get a bed too but if they are just saying bull to get attention well then they can get help in the community, it's better anyway for them since help in the community can be more beneficial for them( therapy + they don't miss school or work)

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This is true.  In many places people have to lie and say that they're suicidal in order to get admitted to a psych hospital if they know that's where they need to be.  Which is prety fucked up.

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As someone who has been suicidal before, it was never ever ever for attention. I hated feeling suicidal - it's a horrible feeling to live with but I was in deep emotional pain and couldn't see a way out. My mind which was in the grip of a serious mental illness was telling me that killing myself was an option. Once I was put on meds those thoughts went away. I doubt very much that someone wakes up one day and thinks to themselves hmmm I'm not getting much attention I might think about suicide. Most people who are suicidal don't want to feel that way but unfortunately mental illness is a cruel bitch and it will do its best to convince you that ending your life is the answer and it's something we have to constantly fight against so people suggesting that it could be a way of looking for attention is rather insulting. We have to deal with enough stigma as it is.

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I just find suicide, a really sad thing to do and every time I think about the  times I felt like that and the times overdosed and just got hospitilized. It's just horrible. Psych wards have ruined my life...I missed so much school and it's just makes so upset when I think about it. Why would people be attracted to that sort of lifestyle :'( it's just horrible

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I have heard people say that people have attempted "just to get attention" but if you ask if they are giving the person attention now they look baffled. If someone hurts enough to attempt, the pain needs to be addressed not ignored.

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Can we talk about the word "ambivalence" for a moment?

 

Ambivalence is feeling strongly about two different things at the same time. People who report feeling suicidal generally are doing so because either a) they genuinely have these thoughts and feelings, or b) they are trying to "malinger" for the purpose of secondary gain.

 

Group A also has a few subtypes that include people who rarely take action on suicidal thoughts and rarely talk about it even if they feel despair often, as well as people who feel suicidal ALL THE TIME or most of the time because there is a lack of other skills to decrease suffering in their life. Even when suicidality is chronic and a person has many low-lethality attempts, this does not mean they are "trying to get attention". It means they lack other skills and resources to manage extreme emotional pain. When any animal is in extreme pain, a rational response is to seek escape. Some seek it through substances, video games, porn, self harm, etc. And some people seek it through suicide.

 

I would argue that both subtypes in group A feel highly ambivalent about whether they want to life or die with the quality of life they currently are experiencing. 

 

This is NOT the same as "wanting attention".

 

Both of these subtypes are significantly different from group B. Group B is the group of people who state they are suicidal, for example, because they think it will help them get a warm place to stay/meals or get out of going to court or something like that when they are not actually suicidal.

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Wooster

 

 

Thanks for the explanation of the many non-lethal attempts. I know someone who has tried, but I am thankful she hasn't figured out how. Someone tried to explain to me that when she (the person talking to me)  is suicidal she isn't thinking clearly and her attempts weren't well thought out.  

 

 

The sad thing is that sometimes you have to fall into group B just to be admitted when you really need to be but don't meet the strict criteria of harm to self or others.

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it is my opinoin that if someone is willing to commit to a potentially deadly act in order to get attention

that they need it

cuz goddamn sometimes we reach that point

where it's all or nothing

it's in our out

we can't take it anymore the way that it is and we need a change whether we live or die

cuz sometimes we don't have the coping skills

and we don't have the support system

we don't know how to deal with ourselves

or where to go

 

i think it can be both

one

the other

or none

 

i tried to kill myself a few times

all different

once i can definitely look back and say that all i wanted was attention

i knew i needed help and i was trying to get it

but i ran out of patience and resources

 

one of the other times i truly just wanted to seek oblivion

until i was saved and treated....

 

i had a close family member commit suicide in my childhood

a lot of people thought his piror attempts and threats were for attention

but then he shot himself in the head

and survived

...you don't intentionally worsen your quality of life just for the extra attention

 

and eventually he ended his life as he had planned

he was

committed

to suicide

 

but he toyed, he tried, he searched...

it can go in phases and severities

NEVER DOUBT SOMEONE

worst case scenario you baby someone who doesn't need it

best case scenario you save a life

 

always see if they have a paln

and make sure you follow up on someone that makes threats or suggests self harm/suicide

 

it's a myth that people who actually do it don't talk about it

cuz man my uncle talked about it soooooo much

if only we knew...more...

if only mental health education then was what it is now...

we could have helped him more

maybe saved a life

 

i try to think he's at peace...

but sometimes that leaves me wondering...

could i find peace the same way?

nad

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My dad (pdoc) calls a suicide attempt that is a cry for help a "suicidal gesture." I made a suicidal gesture once, and everyone ignored me, and a pdoc I saw basically told me to "snap out of it," I kid you not.

 

I've only been close to suicide once, I was planning a suicide/homicide. The homicide part suddenly made me realize I was in trouble. I got through it, no thanks to my pdoc, even though he knew. People who have been here a while know I am still really pissed about how my pdoc handled it.

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