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Southern Discomfort

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Yeah, that makes it sound like they're not really too sure on what schizophrenia is. It might be fine for a few people and those which are using it for conditions not related to psychosis but this would trigger paranoia big time in so many people. It would cause quite a lot of distress and reinforce delusional thinking, the aim should be to bring doctor and patient closer together like they're working as a team. 

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melissaw72

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Yeah, that makes it sound like they're not really too sure on what schizophrenia is. It might be fine for a few people and those which are using it for conditions not related to psychosis but this would trigger paranoia big time in so many people. It would cause quite a lot of distress and reinforce delusional thinking, the aim should be to bring doctor and patient closer together like they're working as a team. 

^^(in bold) I agree.

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I'm calling bullshit on this article. This is an irresponsible article to publish and the facts are so outlandish that they are not believable. For example, how in the world would there ever be a transmitter powerful enough to reach some external antenna in such a small pill? Who is paying to build the infrastructure (antennas) to receive the data from these pills? It's just not believable on its face.

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FWIW I looked for an email address at the end of the srticle where people could write to him, but there was none.  I have no clue how twitter works, but you can follow him on twitter.  Maybe you could comment about the article that way to him about it?

Maybe the company making the product?

http://www.proteus.com/company/media-center/

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FWIW I looked for an email address at the end of the srticle where people could write to him, but there was none.  I have no clue how twitter works, but you can follow him on twitter.  Maybe you could comment about the article that way to him about it?

Maybe the company making the product?

http://www.proteus.com/company/media-center/

I just looked at the site, and the email and phone number they give there are only for media requests.  I scrolled down to the bottom of the page and they can only be followed on twitter and LinkedIn. 

 

ETA:  Just found this:

If you have a general inquiry regarding Proteus or our products, please contact us here.

Proteus Digital Health, Inc.
2600 Bridge Parkway, Suite 101
Redwood City, CA 94065
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+1 650.632.4031
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+1 650.632.4071
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jt07

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You can contact Otsuka Pharmaceuticals if you want, but I'm telling you this is garbage and a lie because of several reasons:

1. Physically impossible - think of shrinking a cell phone down to fit in an Abilify pill. Not going to happen.

2. The battery needed would be poisonous for people to ingest.

3. Expense - nobody is going to pay to put up the infrastructure for so few people who take Abilify (compared to the general population)

4. Must be approved by the FDA (see battery problem above)

5. Probably illegal from a privacy standpoint.

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I'm not surprised.

The technology is getting closer and closer to existing.

I know someone who has a "dexcom", which is a patch that has a small needle in it to help monitor her blood sugar. It broadcasts a signal to the readout unit. She loves it.

It sounds like the mechanism for the battery is to use the body's own ions (sodium, potassium, chloride, etc) to help generate a small electrical current. It's a similar mechanism for how RFID works, except passive RDIF (like in my bus card or Nugget's microchip) needs to have an externally activated power source to be read.

I think it's a horrible idea for this particular set of disorders, though. For all the reasons mentioned above.

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I'm not surprised.

The technology is getting closer and closer to existing.

I know someone who has a "dexcom", which is a patch that has a small needle in it to help monitor her blood sugar. It broadcasts a signal to the readout unit. She loves it.

It sounds like the mechanism for the battery is to use the body's own ions (sodium, potassium, chloride, etc) to help generate a small electrical current. It's a similar mechanism for how RFID works, except passive RDIF (like in my bus card or Nugget's microchip) needs to have an externally activated power source to be read.

I think it's a horrible idea for this particular set of disorders, though. For all the reasons mentioned above.

I still don't buy it, Woo. Anything that uses the body's own ions is going to have a VERY limited range. Limited as in centimeters.

Passive RFID is possible but then you have to be very close to a detector or have a wand waved over you. Moreover, pills pass through the body. They don't stay there like the ID chips for dogs.

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The Forbes article cites Nature, which is a reasonably credible source of information (publishers of Scientific American among others).

 

http://www.nature.com/news/say-hello-to-intelligent-pills-1.9823

 

If you put a sensor patch on the abdomen that's not more than a few centimeters from the outside to the inside.

 

I'm not trying to induce paranoia. I'm just honestly not surprised given micro and nanotechnology that someone thinks this is a good idea.

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Ok, you're right, I didn't read the other links. I just now read the Forbes link. I understand the science better. It's just as I thought; the most it can transmit is a few centimeters and so you have to wear a patch that transmits the data via the cellular network. This is not the same as the original article in the OP which left one with the belief that pills would be clandestinely laced with transmitters. If you are wear the patch, you know that someone is monitoring. It's still a very bad idea.

I, personally, would never agree to wear that patch. I believe they are going to get MASSIVE pushback from privacy groups before they get any actual meds approved.

I could see this being used only where someone is under a court order to take meds.

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i can't think of anything worse to put in an antipsychotic. don't they know the thoughts we have? I would prefer an injection

^ OMG This. Just the fact that the technology exists is going to make a lot of people paranoid if they hear about it. Let alone knowing it's in a pill you take.

My CPAP (breathing machine) for sleep apnea monitors my "compliance" and sends my data out every day to my doctor, my CPAP supplier, and the manufacturer. My doctor has to report my "compliance" to the insurance company, who will stop paying for it if I'm not "compliant" enough on the grounds that if I'm not using it enough, it must not be "medically necessary."  I find it invasive and infuriating.

If this were done with medications I'd want to stop taking them altogether just to have my privacy.

And the "medical necessity" argument by the insurance company is totally bogus. If someone's not using something that they should for their health, it doesn't mean it's not "medically necessary," it means, if anything, that an effort should be made to get the person to use the CPAP (or take their meds), not have the option totally taken away from them. But that's the way it's going to go.

 

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(((CAUTION: RANT AHEAD)))

Why is anyone surprised? We're surveilled every freakin' where we go. This is the age of Big Brother. And the sickest thing is, there are loads of people out there who think constant monitoring is acceptable because it might "help catch a bad guy."

This isn't America anymore, it's the flipping Soviet Union. Call me paranoid, but it's the truth. I'm old enough to remember a time when (a) our every move wasn't catalogued and (b) people would fight tooth and nail AGAINST surveillance, not FOR it. Well, our Big-Government-loving Left-wing friends got what they wanted. Hope they're happy with it. Because for the rest of us, it sucks.

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Do you mind not throwing slurs at some of our members? There is a huge variety of political positions among our members, and many don't even live in the US. And if you want to talk about a surveillance state (which I agree we are), we can't compete with the British. So chill the fuck out. You can express your opinion without insulting others.

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Wow, that is a huge waste of money.

If you're court ordered to take meds (something I don't know where I stand on) an injection is perfectly fine. 

That looks incredibly expensive and, well, terrifying. This is something we have the technology for that we could go without.

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I guess some of my what so called "bizarre" hallucinations isn't that bizarre after all.

I had a trial of Abilify where I live through a medical school supported by the government.

Abilify here in the today's dollar is about U$ 300,00 to 350,00, 30 pills of 20mg, this represents about two times our minimum wage.

I had akathisia while on it and decided to give up the trial, it was just too far away from home, almost two hours drive and it had very restricted rules, I don't feel too comfortable around residents and students, they sometimes are very impressionable and that wasn't helpful.

 

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