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I can take huge doses of amphetamine without feeling anything

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I'm a bit concerned.

I have been using benzedrine and vyvanse in the past. With these drugs you know exactly how many mg of amphetamine you get.

 

But benzedrine and vyvanse both contain only D-Amphetamine.

 

Where I live we do not have Adderall or any other drug which contains D and L Amphetamine.

 

But since I read many people like Adderall better than pure D-Amphetamine I wanted to try something which has both D and L Amphetamine.

 

Since there is no drug available here which contains D and L Amphetamine the only way to get DL Amphetamine is to get it from a compound pharmacy.

They order amphetamine sulfate and then make an amphetamine syrup out of it.

As far as I know amphetamine sulfate contains D and L Amphetamine in a 50/50 ratio.

 

The syrup which I have contains 2mg amphetamine per ml.

I started using 5ml (10mg amphetamine) and then increased to 10ml (20mg amphetamine).

When I take a single dose of 10ml syrup then this is 20mg pure amphetamine.

Should I not feel something from that? I don't even get jittery! How can this be?

 

I don't know what to make of this. I even wonder what if somebody at the pharmacy keeps

some amphetamine for himself and then my syrup has a lower concentration? It would be impossible

for me to prove this unless I sent it to a lab and then pay the fee.

 

This really sucks cause now I don't really know why this stuff is so weak. If the syrup came straight from

a factory then I at least knew that the amphetamine content is correct. But when the stuff is handmade there is

always a factor of uncertainty.

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Isn't it a good thing that you don't get jittery? What are you taking this for, and what results are you trying to achieve?

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Wondering if your pdoc knows about the increase of use? 

FWIW, if you use too much too often, then at the end of the month you will be short some days of the med before you can get it refilled again.

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No, I stay within the limits. The doses I use are still okay.

I take it for ADD.

My concern is simply why do I not feel the stuff? I mean if I felt jittery then at least I'd know that it "works".

But if I feel nothing then it makes me wonder what if they don't put in as much amphetamine or what if they make mistakes at the pharmacy?

I also read that L-amphetamine causes more side effects but I don't get more side effects from the DL juice.

It sucks cause I'd really like to try something like Adderall but we don't have it.

D-amphetamine doesn't really give me a boost. It doesn't give me motivation to do things but I needed this.

I can take vyvanse or benzedrine and I still do nothing productive.

I'd like to have something which really makes you do things and makes you super productive. And I heard from

people that Adderall made them ace in school and that it made a huge difference for them. I don't get this from d-amphetamine.

That's why I wanted to try the juice I thought if I get D and L then maybe I'd get an Adderall like feeling.

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I have adhd and I take Adderall. I don't get those effects. I don't really "feel" anything actually. I can just think more clearly and focus on one task better. I don't get huge amounts of energy or anything or super motivation. If it made me jittery I would assume my dose was wrong. I think you're expecting it to do things it does not do.

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If you get jittery, nervous or anxious, sped up, energized, or other (good or bad) energy from stimulants then it's not doing what it's supposed to. The only real "energy" that should come from stimulants is from either alleviated depressive symptoms or the realization that you can do shit without being a hot mess. 

Stimulants are designed to calm the ADHD brain, not rev it up. Think of it this way: your ADHD brain constantly seeks stimulation; verbal, auditory, motor, physical stimulation. That's why (especially us combined types) can be hyperactive, impulsive, fidgety, and why we stim. Stimulant medications feed that need. Which is why it makes us calmer, more attentive, and easier to control our impulses. So if you get jittery or get a huge boost of energy from stimulants, something else is going on in the brain - either medication adverse affects, medication counter effects from other medications, or your brain just doesn't need to be stimulated from medications like that.

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8 hours ago, regis said:

My concern is simply why do I not feel the stuff? I mean if I felt jittery then at least I'd know that it "works".

But if I feel nothing then it makes me wonder what if they don't put in as much amphetamine or what if they make mistakes at the pharmacy?

Maybe because you need an increase in the med?  Just a thought.

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Yeah, I've been on prescription stimulants for 20 years and I get a bigger boost out of a cup of coffee than I do from the meds.

 

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I don't think that I need a bigger dose. I mean 20mg amphetamine as a single dose is pretty high. But maybe L-amphetamine doesn't do much

so that you only get 10mg active amphetamine?

I think it's a bit confusing. I also heard that stims should calm you down. But I also read stuff that people which take stims work like robots or that

they are super productive. Does this mean those people dont have ADHD and abuse stims to become energized? But if stims work this way

for non-ADHD people then they have an advantage because they get effects which people with ADHD do not get.

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14 minutes ago, regis said:

I don't think that I need a bigger dose. I mean 20mg amphetamine as a single dose is pretty high. But maybe L-amphetamine doesn't do much

so that you only get 10mg active amphetamine?

I think it's a bit confusing. I also heard that stims should calm you down. But I also read stuff that people which take stims work like robots or that

they are super productive. Does this mean those people dont have ADHD and abuse stims to become energized? But if stims work this way

for non-ADHD people then they have an advantage because they get effects which people with ADHD do not get.

I think there are people who do abuse stimulants and they probably aren't taking the prescribed dose either that get super energized and mega productive. Adderall really isn't meant to give you super powers. It calms you and let's you sort through the chaos so you can focus. It doesn't give advantages. I don't think you should think like that. Just try to focus on finding a med that helps relieve your symptoms. Stimulants really don't provide the motivation just help the focus. I still need to use many daily skills to manage my adhd.

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I don't take stimulants (or treat my ADHD) to get "advantages". I treat my ADHD to do the things everyone else can without needing to take meds.

ADHD medications are no different than other medications. In example, taking an Antidepressant won't help you in the same way if don't have depression or anxiety. 

I read a lot about non-ADHDers who take stimulants to be more productive. It's because their brains get extra stimulated, versus ADHD people who need stimulation so when they take stimulants their brain gets calm. It sounds confusing, but honestly it isn't.

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This is weird. I read that people get euphoria from amphetamines most likely cause they take too much.

But if I take a too big dose I simply get side effects like fast pulse but no positive effects. I cannot even imagine how much people need to get euphoria. They certainly must also get

the side effects.

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Everyone is different and metabolizes meds differently.  That might account for the different ways in which people react to a same med at any given dose.  Some get euphoria, some get increased heart rate, some can focus better, etc.

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You also have to take in account how your brain chemicals already are; why we take meds in the first place. Adding different medications change those chemicals. And the fact the fact of the matter is, a person with ADHD is developmentally different from some one without, so we react to stimulants differently.

You can have ADHD symptoms that are caused by another MI (like Depression, or Bipolar) but it your brain won' necessarily be developmentally the same as someone with ADHD; thus you will react to stimulants differently.

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On 14/04/2016 at 5:12 PM, snarkygirl said:

I have adhd and I take Adderall. I don't get those effects. I don't really "feel" anything actually. I can just think more clearly and focus on one task better. I don't get huge amounts of energy or anything or super motivation. If it made me jittery I would assume my dose was wrong. I think you're expecting it to do things it does not do.

Same. We assumed it wasn't doing anything for a while because no energy boost/etc, but partner insists they can tell a difference in how well we focus, so. 

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But I often read stuff from people with adhd who wrote when you first take adderall it's like a revelation. Did you have this?

I didnt have this WOW factor at all. This sucks. :(

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I had a revelation when I took Ritalin for the first time, but in a "wow! I didn't know I could function" kind of way (but not in a "holy crap! I'm flying!" way). 

You won't always receive a WOW "this works" factor, especially if there are several disorders/symptoms you are treating. As well, like Winter Tidings said, sometimes it's hard to see/feel a difference in yourself but it's noticeable in your organization and focus to other people.

I didn't notice a big difference when taking Ritalin LA, but I could stay focused and reply accordingly during conversations, which was a big improvement that others saw.

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I'm at home all the time and the only thing I need to do is write on a diploma thesis but I hate this work so much

cause it's so exhausting, also because of my ocd, that I can hardly motivate myself and the stims dont help with that.

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I don't think 20 mg is that all a big dose. I take 50 mg in the morning as a single dose  and 20 mg in the afternoon. Both isomers are active but the l isomer is less desired due to causing more side effects. D-amphetamine is generally how it is sold. Adderall has l-amphetamine in it so they could get a patent. 

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