A Sign of Autism - Literally

[Fluent In Silence]

11 hours ago, Hopelessly Broken said:

Just thought it would be worth saying that it is rather common for autistic children on the more severe end of the spectrum to elope, and that may very well be what some of the signs are referring to. 

That's the sort of useful information which these signs are failing to convey. Although if they're eloping then they aren't eloping well if they're staying in the same area with the sign posts. I hope I'm not sounding like a dick. Honestly do find these signs confusing. They don't put up signs for bipolar disorder. SLOW. FAST. SLOW. FAST.

[Hopelessly Broken]

Eloping is eloping. For those kids it is far more dangerous, because no, they don't have the same social awareness as neurotypical children, and many also don't possess navigational strategy to actually watch where they are going and pay attention to their surroundings, because it is too much for them at a sensory processing level within their brain. Even as an autistic adult, that is one of my most prominent challenges whenever I go into the outside world. 

Additionally, whether on the severe or mild end of the spectrum, or somewhere in between, the vast majority of autistic children don't respond to being called or surrounding dangers. This means they are far more susceptible to severe and potentially fatal injury, or getting lost. As far as knowing the rules and code of the road, that is also highly unlikely.

For example, I did not learn how to cross the road safely until I was 15-16, and still struggle with it because of my lacking visual spatial reasoning, processing and awareness. I do not understand what the vast majority of pictures alone mean and it is very difficult for me to grasp what they mean, similar to pictures of facial expression. 

In their brain, they are just wandering around, and that is that. 

Also worth noting that there are far more non-verbal or speech delayed autistic children than there are verbal autistic children, and even verbal autistic children still have difficulties understanding aspects of communication if you do try to communicate the importance of personal safety to them. 

Personally, I have no issue understanding the value of such signs, but I am autistic myself, and I grew up around other autistic children who were often on the more severe end of the spectrum, so those types of things were just normal parts of life and common knowledge. 

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by Hopelessly Broken

[Fluent In Silence]

Thanks Hopelessly Broken, that's cleared a lot of things up. I would make an effort if I was driving to not endanger autistic children, it's just that putting up a sign explains nothing. I'm not totally ignorant about autism and have read about it, and I've met people here who I like who are autistic, but seeing that sign, I wouldn't really know what to do about it. And I've met people with autism and I'm studying psychology. I should know better than most people what it means. So if I'm ignorant then god knows what normal people make of it.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Fluent In Silence
Sounded like an arsehole.

[Gearhead]

We have a pretty decent alert system for that around here. 

[Gearhead]

2 hours ago, Hopelessly Broken said:

For example, I did not learn how to cross the road safely until I was 15-16, and still struggle with it because of my lacking visual spatial reasoning, processing and awareness. I do not understand what the vast majority of pictures alone mean and it is very difficult for me to grasp what they mean, similar to pictures of facial expression. 

My best friend is in her 40s, served in the Army, has a Bachelor’s degree, and flatly refuses to cross the street anywhere except at the corner and with the light, because otherwise it’s spatially too much for her to process. 

[Cerberus]

On 12/19/2020 at 2:02 PM, Hopelessly Broken said:

Eloping is eloping.

Not necessarily. In modern usage, most people understand elope exclusively in the sense of “to run away to get married”. The word’s origin is in the French aloper, “to escape, flee”, and so there is some current usage in that sense in institutional contexts like psychiatric wards, but for the average person on the street (at least here in America) your original comment informed us that autistic children have a tendency to run away to get married. Which made me scratch my head a little. I had to double-check the etymology to understand what you meant.

[KJ]

On 12/7/2020 at 12:42 PM, Gearhead said:

I have a t-shirt that says “Vaccines Cause Adults,” which I wear with pride.

I just found this shirt on the interweb. Yayness.  Also, I bought the "The autism is strong with this one" shirt, and wore it yesterday to my GP appointment. My doc thought it was hilarious, as did the pharmacist. I also purchased one for my clone. I wore it with pride around the supermarket, along with my black baseball cap and aspie headphones.

[Hopelessly Broken]

Interesting. I have never heard elope being used in that context. Then again, I have only been exposed to the word in the context of autistic children and some other disabilities. 

I have heard elope being used to mean "go off and have sex" though. Considering that would be massively inappropriate, and that it is irrelevant to the context I used it in, I figured people would know what I was referring to by elope. I realise now that I should have just said go off wandering unsupervised. 

 

[Gearhead]

29 minutes ago, Hopelessly Broken said:

Interesting. I have never heard elope being used in that context. Then again, I have only been exposed to the word in the context of autistic children and some other disabilities. 

I have heard elope being used to mean "go off and have sex" though. Considering that would be massively inappropriate, and that it is irrelevant to the context I used it in, I figured people would know what I was referring to by elope. I realise now that I should have just said go off wandering unsupervised. 

 

@Hopelessly Broken, different counties use different terms, and not even consistently. We have something here called a Silver Alert, which means that a senior citizen is lost. I’ve never heard that called “eloping,” even though it’s the exact same thing as when an autistic person wanders off: An old person has gotten out of a care facility or away from whomever is meant to helping them. 

[Cerberus]

34 minutes ago, Gearhead said:

different counties use different terms, and not even consistently.

So here’s a question - given that the prefix ant- usually signifies the opposite or reverse of something, and given that a gazelle is an animal that survives largely by fleeing, why is it called an antelope?

[Hopelessly Broken]

Because said gazelle is not living its best life when it is eloping, is it? As opposed to when it is eating plants and just standing there, not literally escaping mortal threat. 

Excuse my piss poor attempt at humour. 

[yarnandcats]

actually, that was/is funny; we laughed. 

don't look up the origin of the word antelope though and expect help: it's not helpful. ("mythical beast with serrated horns living on the banks of the Euphrates")

i believe eloping may also refer to some of the traveling that folks with dissociation do too. at least we've read papers and seen it used in that context.

[Iceberg]

34 minutes ago, yarnandcats said:

actually, that was/is funny; we laughed. 

don't look up the origin of the word antelope though and expect help: it's not helpful. ("mythical beast with serrated horns living on the banks of the Euphrates")

i believe eloping may also refer to some of the traveling that folks with dissociation do too. at least we've read papers and seen it used in that context.

Yes, I have also heard/seen it used with disassociation... I think it was in my abnormal psych textbook