looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I know there’s various threads but let’s just make one for the swdating meds and how long they knock you it for latuda 40 knocks me out but I think I sleep it off seroquel400 ir I need min 8 hours but more like 10-11 to feel normal what do you take and how much sleep do you need?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaB Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Moving this to the side effects forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sorry clicked wrong forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, looking for answers said: what do you take and how much sleep do you need?? I take Trazodone 200mg, and Klonopin 2mg, about 30 minutes before bed......I usually get about 6-8 hours sleep with these. When I wake up I'm a little bit foggy, but that's easily taken care of with a few cups of coffee. Edited January 30, 2018 by CrazyRedhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Ahh coffee doesn’t knock the fog off me ,buckets of it does not, dies traxadone help ur depression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_pls Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) The most recent medicine that was sedating for me was Rexulti, oddly enough. It was both sedating and stimulating somehow. I was on 3 mg and I would take it at bedtime. I would get anywhere from 11-15 hours of sleep on it, usually somewhat fragmented sleep though. I usually only require 6-7 hours of sleep. 14 minutes ago, looking for answers said: Ahh coffee doesn’t knock the fog off me ,buckets of it does not You might be a CYP1A2 rapid metabolizer, which is responsible for caffeine metabolism. For the longest time, I always wondered why caffeine never affected me, and when I had the 23andme test done and analyzed the raw data myself and found out I was a CYP1A2 rapid metabolizer and that it was responsible for caffeine metabolism, it also explained that it caused caffeine to have less of an effect and could also lead me to consume slightly more caffeine than the average person. There are also other factors, like environmental factors and other genes that dictate how caffeine affects someone. Also, it's responsible for drug metabolism of some drugs. Edited January 30, 2018 by mikl_pls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) I had a genesight test wonder if it’s on there Edited January 30, 2018 by looking for answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_pls Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, looking for answers said: I had a genesight test wonder if it’s on there It may or may not. They sometimes like to leave out some important stuff sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 I’m certainly gonna check I know I hypermetabolize lamictal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan77 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I need lots of sleep to function. I always have. I really need about 12 hours and feel deprived if I have less than 10 hours. And that is when my mood is stable. If I take my night time meds (valproate 1600mg Lamictal 150mg and Seroquel xr 800mg) too early in the night I start to feel tired a few hours later. However if I take my meds too late and I have to get up early I feel a bit dopey. Also taking them too early I start to feel really hungry. It's all about getting the right balance I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 I can see y 10-12 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, rowan77 said: I need lots of sleep to function. I always have. I really need about 12 hours and feel deprived if I have less than 10 hours. And that is when my mood is stable. If I take my night time meds (valproate 1600mg Lamictal 150mg and Seroquel xr 800mg) too early in the night I start to feel tired a few hours later. However if I take my meds too late and I have to get up early I feel a bit dopey. Also taking them too early I start to feel really hungry. It's all about getting the right balance I guess is valproate sedating, lamictal was not for me, seroquel thats a big boy dose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 hours ago, mikl_pls said: The most recent medicine that was sedating for me was Rexulti, oddly enough. It was both sedating and stimulating somehow. I was on 3 mg and I would take it at bedtime. I would get anywhere from 11-15 hours of sleep on it, usually somewhat fragmented sleep though. I usually only require 6-7 hours of sleep. You might be a CYP1A2 rapid metabolizer, which is responsible for caffeine metabolism. For the longest time, I always wondered why caffeine never affected me, and when I had the 23andme test done and analyzed the raw data myself and found out I was a CYP1A2 rapid metabolizer and that it was responsible for caffeine metabolism, it also explained that it caused caffeine to have less of an effect and could also lead me to consume slightly more caffeine than the average person. There are also other factors, like environmental factors and other genes that dictate how caffeine affects someone. Also, it's responsible for drug metabolism of some drugs. i do have a variation to the CYP1A2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_pls Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, looking for answers said: i do have a variation to the CYP1A2 What does it say about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Even when I’m as well as well gets, I need at least nine hours of sleep. And I’ve noticed that there are prime hours between which I get the most restful sleep-about 2am to 10am. If I can get those I can manage, though not perform optimally. And sleeping off my meds takes an absolute minimum of seven hours; eight is a LOT better. If I can’t get seven at least, I’m groggy and nauseated all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blahblah Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 When I'm doing pretty well I need 9 hours...but when I get stressed or become more symptomatic, I begin to sleep more and I can't get out of bed. Or it takes me longer to fall asleep - then i am waking up later. I am very sensitive to sleep loss. even if I get 10 hours of OK (but not so restful) sleep, I am a mess the next day. If I sleep in to late, then it screws me up also because it takes that much longer to fall asleep. Sometimes if I am restless at bedtime I take a valium (like last night) I slept through the entire night, but I notice my mood is more down, and I feel very tired today. Sometimes taking sleep meds really screw me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) I take klonopin for restlessness I feel yah 13 hours ago, mikl_pls said: What does it say about it? @mikl_pls Ultra rapid metabolizer Edited January 31, 2018 by looking for answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think im seeing a trend that these meds require us all to sleep alot longer than normal, and in some cases impede daily function. my family doesnt understand how im exhausted when i go to bed at 9 and get up at 530 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan77 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 22 hours ago, looking for answers said: is valproate sedating, lamictal was not for me, seroquel thats a big boy dose Yes valproate is sedating. Lamictal is not. I meant to say I take 100mg at night not 150mg. It is 150mg in the morning. I used to be much more sedated when I started the valproate first. Now I can be tired but can function. I was way more sedated at a lower dose of seroquel. My main problem with sleep is that I tend to be a night owl. Even if i take my meds early i stll could be wide awake for hours and might not sleep until 2 or 3am then not waken til 12pm or even later. I do try to get into a proper routine but its not easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 I hear ya weekends mess me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 9:14 AM, looking for answers said: dies traxadone help ur depression No, not that I can tell......not at 200mg.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, CrazyRedhead said: No, not that I can tell......not at 200mg.... Have u taken anything else for sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, looking for answers said: Have u taken anything else for sleep In the past, I've tried many other things just for sleep (see my signature), but Trazodone plus Klonopin has been the most effective combo for me with the least side effects...... Edited February 1, 2018 by CrazyRedhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 41 minutes ago, CrazyRedhead said: In the past, I've tried many other things just for sleep (see my signature), but Trazodone plus Klonopin has been the most effective combo for me with the least side effects...... Does traZadone or seroquel have longer half life.... Looks like traZadone is 10-12 hours and seroquel 6 and I fee seroquel for like 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterflykisses Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I require anywhere from 11-14 hours of sleep. Anything less than that I can't function well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 That’s a lot and where I am your day cycles around sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, looking for answers said: Does traZadone or seroquel have longer half life.... Looks like traZadone is 10-12 hours and seroquel 6 and I fee seroquel for like 15 Drowsiness is also a common side effect of Latuda.......And Latuda has a half-life of about 18 hours . Maybe that could possibly be contributing to your sedation? Edited February 1, 2018 by CrazyRedhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Both before bed, can’t tolerate during day Great was hopeful for latuda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, looking for answers said: Both before bed, can’t tolerate during day Great was hopeful for latuda I would suggest talking about it with your pdoc....Have you told your doc about the excessive sedation you're having? Edited February 1, 2018 by CrazyRedhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 No I got next Thursday I’m all whacked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, looking for answers said: No I got next Thursday I’m all whacked out Can you call doc's office before your appt. and tell them about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 I can, only been with this pdoc for on visit so. And it wasn’t the best start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRedhead Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 If it's really bothering you, I would still suggest calling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, CrazyRedhead said: If it's really bothering you, I would still suggest calling..... There so much more than just that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notloki Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 mg Lunesta and 1.75 mg Klonopin, titrating from 2 mg to 1 mg over the next half year. I seem to need 7-8 hours sleep. Given unlimited time I will sleep for 7-8 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 hours ago, notloki said: 6 mg Lunesta and 1.75 mg Klonopin, titrating from 2 mg to 1 mg over the next half year. I seem to need 7-8 hours sleep. Given unlimited time I will sleep for 7-8 hours. do u wake up tired from the lunesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan77 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 It rarely happens but If I am having trouble sleeping my pdoc prescribes temazepam 10-20mg. If that doesn't do the trick he prescribes flurazepam 15-30mg. I cannot go long with disrupted sleep as I tend to become manic quite quickly so he takes it very seriously. I have taken clonazepam along with flurazepam which usually gets me sleeping when my mood is starting to elevate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 I’ve take flirazapem knocks u out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notloki Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 12 hours ago, looking for answers said: do u wake up tired from the lunesta Nope, it is gone by morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_pls Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, rowan77 said: I cannot go long with disrupted sleep as I tend to become manic quite quickly so he takes it very seriously. I have taken clonazepam along with flurazepam which usually gets me sleeping when my mood is starting to elevate. 1 hour ago, looking for answers said: I’ve take flirazapem knocks u out My pdoc refuses to prescribe flurazepam. She very much dislikes this medication for some reason. It's the only benzo (available in the US) I've not taken other than midazolam (which I don't think I'll be able to take in an outpatient setting). Actually, come to think of it, quazepam is available, suddenly, too, but for my insurance, it's tier IV and costs a fortune for generic... they treat it like it's a non-preferred brand-name medicine. I haven't taken it either, but until it comes down in price, I don't plan to try it. Besides, I'm pretty much benzo-resistant anyway. It's very hard to sedate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, mikl_pls said: My pdoc refuses to prescribe flurazepam. She very much dislikes this medication for some reason. It's the only benzo (available in the US) I've not taken other than midazolam (which I don't think I'll be able to take in an outpatient setting). Actually, come to think of it, quazepam is available, suddenly, too, but for my insurance, it's tier IV and costs a fortune for generic... they treat it like it's a non-preferred brand-name medicine. I haven't taken it either, but until it comes down in price, I don't plan to try it. Besides, I'm pretty much benzo-resistant anyway. It's very hard to sedate me. I didn’t like it tbh didn’t feel like a deep sleep and hungover as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_pls Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, looking for answers said: I didn’t like it tbh didn’t feel like a deep sleep and hungover as hell I can definitely see why with as long of a half-life as it has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Yah was wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saoirse Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 When I wasn't taking the right meds for my sleep disorder, I slept between 20 and 22 hours a day and felt drugged upon waking. Hell. Now I sleep between seven and twelve hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) . Edited September 17, 2020 by argh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalto Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I don’t take anything specifically for sleep. Latuda makes me kinda groggy so I take it at night though. I sleep anywhere from 8-10 hours a day, usually around the 8 mark. When I was on seroquel it was more like 12 or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianOCD Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 11:29 AM, rowan77 said: I need lots of sleep to function. I always have. I really need about 12 hours and feel deprived if I have less than 10 hours. And that is when my mood is stable. If I take my night time meds (valproate 1600mg Lamictal 150mg and Seroquel xr 800mg) too early in the night I start to feel tired a few hours later. However if I take my meds too late and I have to get up early I feel a bit dopey. Also taking them too early I start to feel really hungry. It's all about getting the right balance I guess You don't feel depressed sleeping that much? I always felt it worsens mine. I end up sleeping about 10 - 11 hours, but I'm trying to lessen it as I think it worsens my depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 3 hours ago, BrianOCD said: You don't feel depressed sleeping that much? I always felt it worsens mine. I end up sleeping about 10 - 11 hours, but I'm trying to lessen it as I think it worsens my depression. it does for me, but you feel awful if you dont sleep that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit37 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I take 300mg seroquel IR and lithium 600mg at night, though I’m not taking the seroquel for sleep. Some nights, I’ll fall asleep pretty quickly, and if it’s a sound sleep with not much waking, 5 hours will do me, I’ll wake alert and feel fine. However there are also nights that I barely sleep, just drifting in and out constantly. Those are exhausting, even if I’m in bed for 7 hours, I feel like hell from lack of sleep. Those usually occur when I’ve had a more-than-usual busy or stimulating day, and I hadn’t put effort into winding down before bedtime. I try not to sleep too much, because I feel worse. I usually set an alarm on weekends too, though maybe for an hour later than normal. Heh, most of the time I just end up waking at the same hour I normally do on weekdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rabbit37 said: I take 300mg seroquel IR and lithium 600mg at night, though I’m not taking the seroquel for sleep. Some nights, I’ll fall asleep pretty quickly, and if it’s a sound sleep with not much waking, 5 hours will do me, I’ll wake alert and feel fine. However there are also nights that I barely sleep, just drifting in and out constantly. Those are exhausting, even if I’m in bed for 7 hours, I feel like hell from lack of sleep. Those usually occur when I’ve had a more-than-usual busy or stimulating day, and I hadn’t put effort into winding down before bedtime. I try not to sleep too much, because I feel worse. I usually set an alarm on weekends too, though maybe for an hour later than normal. Heh, most of the time I just end up waking at the same hour I normally do on weekdays. I’d die I take lithium 750 at night and seroquel 300 and need 8-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Does trazadone hangover ever go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt07 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 hours ago, looking for answers said: Does trazadone hangover ever go away It didn't for me that's why I'm not taking it. I finally broke down last night and took a half of a Remeron tablet, and I slept much better but I still want to sleep due to the large sleep debt I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Wonderful how long did u take it for, did remeron hangover ever go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt07 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 After a while on the med, the Remeron hangover just means it's a little difficult to get up in the morning, but a cup of coffee took care of that for me. It's nothing like the Trazodone or the tricyclic hangovers where they tend to never go away until evening and impossible to shake off. You might say that I have a hangover from Remeron now because I haven't taken it in a while, but I'm just a little sleepy. I can still function. With the hangovers from the other meds, I couldn't really function. But I have to say in full disclosure that if you have not taken Remeron before, it hits really hard for the first week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Ok I’m not nuts it feels like it lifts like 8-hours after getting up but why???? It’s half life is 6-8 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) . Edited September 17, 2020 by argh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 I took remeron a week and was so drugged at 15 mg and 7.5 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 so anyone else with trazadone experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt07 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 When you just start Remeron, it will knock you off your feet. It's that sedating. But your body adapts and after a week or so, it no longer is so sedating. You will still want to get 9-10 hours of sleep and then you don't want to get up, but for me a cup of coffee took care of that. I consider Remeron to be a very good med because it not only helps with sleep but it is also a good antidepressant. Also, like Seroquel, lower doses are more sedating than higher doses because as you go up in dose, the NE action becomes greater and more stimulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, jt07 said: When you just start Remeron, it will knock you off your feet. It's that sedating. But your body adapts and after a week or so, it no longer is so sedating. You will still want to get 9-10 hours of sleep and then you don't want to get up, but for me a cup of coffee took care of that. I consider Remeron to be a very good med because it not only helps with sleep but it is also a good antidepressant. Also, like Seroquel, lower doses are more sedating than higher doses because as you go up in dose, the NE action becomes greater and more stimulating. he didnt seem interested in remeron, just traz, i guess i can ask............i know low doses are worse on remeron, 7.5 killed me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceberg Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I kno a ton of people who take traz at 25-50 mgs and it works great. For me it worked until I got into a mixed episode then it stopped. I needed 300 mgs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Iceberg said: I kno a ton of people who take traz at 25-50 mgs and it works great. For me it worked until I got into a mixed episode then it stopped. I needed 300 mgs Hangovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceberg Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Hard to tell...I was on zyprexa too at a high dose...and remeron too. Combo from hell as far as weight and hangover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Oh god yes how did u function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderful.Cheese Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, looking for answers said: so anyone else with trazadone experience I have taken trazodone off and on for many many years. I usually take 200 mg. I never had a hangover from it. I don't understand what everyone is talking about. I guess YMMV is truly the case here. I only took it for sleep and not for any AD purposes. My experience is different. I slept maybe 8-10 hours at absolute most and woke up fine in the morning. I never had a hangover. Unfortunately, my body would always get used to trazodone and it would quit working as well for sleep as it did when I first began taking it. So I'd have to stop taking it and try something else. Nowadays I take 3 mg lunesta as needed. I take 20 mg zyprexa zydis at bedtime with Lamictal and 1 mg klonopin too though, so the lunesta is rarely needed. I also have 50-100mg vistaril as needed which can make me a little drowsy if I'm having more anxiety that also can help with sleep if I need it. Edited March 12, 2018 by Wonderful.Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Wonderful.Cheese said: I have taken trazodone off and on for many many years. I usually take 200 mg. I never had a hangover from it. I don't understand what everyone is talking about. I guess YMMV is truly the case here. My experience is different. I slept maybe 8-10 hours at absolute most and woke up fine in the morning. I never had a hangover. Unfortunately, my body would always get used to trazodone and it would quit working as well for sleep as it did when I first began taking it. So I'd have to stop taking it and try something else. Nowadays I take 3 mg lunesta as needed. I take 20 mg zyprexa zydis at bedtime with Lamictal and 1 mg klonopin too though, so the lunesta is rarely needed. I also have 50-100mg vistaril as needed which can make me a little drowsy if I'm having more anxiety that also can help with sleep if I need it. Lamictal never made me tired i take lithium and klonopin at bed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 And seroquel 100 and now traz 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderful.Cheese Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, looking for answers said: Lamictal never made me tired i take lithium and klonopin at bed too Lamictal does not make me tired either. It's the zyprexa that hits me hard and a tiny bit the klonopin too. I can feel myself getting used to the sedation of zyprexa already however. I just hope it never stops putting me to sleep. I don't sleep without something knocking me over the head hitting me hard with lots of sedation. Does lithium make you tired at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wonderful.Cheese said: Lamictal does not make me tired either. It's the zyprexa that hits me hard and a tiny bit the klonopin too. I can feel myself getting used to the sedation of zyprexa already however. I just hope it never stops putting me to sleep. I don't sleep without something knocking me over the head hitting me hard with lots of sedation. Does lithium make you tired at all? The lithium no , not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceberg Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Yeah i had a doc who tried to use lithium to help sleep...all it did was make me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceberg Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 But just remember there are a gazillion things that can help sleep so don't get discouraged if it doesn't fit or the side effects suck so much u can't take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Iceberg said: But just remember there are a gazillion things that can help sleep so don't get discouraged if it doesn't fit or the side effects suck so much u can't take it Yeah I know giving it the college try lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmaryland Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 When I took Remeron I remember sleeping around 12 hours and waking up was a huge struggle. Seroquel was pretty similar, except it kept me asleep for longer and the hunger was more intense. Now I take Halcion (triazolam) a few nights a week and it's honestly the best experience I've had with any sleeping medication. I take it and within 15-25 minutes it knocks me out. The good thing about Halcion is that I don't have to take it every night, and the biggest bonus is that I wake up feeling great, and have no sedation or hangover. I still sleep around 7-8 hours on it, even though its half life is pretty short. IMO it's a great sleep medication for PRN use, not chronic insomnia where you need to take something every night. I haven't tried this out with Halcion, but assume it would build tolerance pretty quick and become ineffective, something that I really don't want to happen. Was surprised my doctor prescribed it to me since I was only on 2 benzos but not complaining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 I take something nightly well seroquel and my klonopij need more than a pen but I’m very glad this has worked for u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aura Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 If I don't have to wake up for anything I sleep about 12 hours, but I can get up if I need to after 6 or less. For class or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancesintherain Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 When I’m in an episode, my sleep gets entirely out of sync and I need something for it. Currently, 50mg of Benadryl will usually tackle it, though that’s a rare option because of the anticholinergic properties. In the past, I’ve used seroquel, triazolam, risperdal, and ambien as helping with sleep. That said, I find a lot of meds sedating, so I’ll tend to take them in the evening. My current cocktail doesn’t put me to sleep though. i can live with 8 for a short period, but really need more like 10 hours to feel relatively decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 My pdoc today told me 6.5 hours is enough when on seroquel and trazadone I laughed , this is over the phone I said I’m hungover as hel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancesintherain Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 6.5 would drain the living daylights out of me unless it was drastically better quality than what I'm currently used to. Even 8 is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, dancesintherain said: 6.5 would drain the living daylights out of me unless it was drastically better quality than what I'm currently used to. Even 8 is hard. I know right! That’s what I said it was he receptionist though she said she would tell doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderful.Cheese Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, looking for answers said: I know right! That’s what I said it was he receptionist though she said she would tell doc Yikes! I hope your Dr has a better answer! 6.5 hours is not enough in my book. Not at all! To answer the original question of this thread: I used to always sleep 12+ hours. Always thought I needed it. But my current pdoc encouraged me and helped me reduce that down. Now I sleep 9-10 hours. Any less and I'm pretty worthless. Maybe someday though that will change. I occasionally slip and sleep more especially if I'm having a hard time especially with depression or being extremely overwhelmed. I'm very grateful for my good pdoc who helps me with my life and my meds. I'm glad I have reduced the amount of sleep I had been thinking I always needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Wonderful.Cheese said: Yikes! I hope your Dr has a better answer! 6.5 hours is not enough in my book. Not at all! To answer the original question of this thread: I used to always sleep 12+ hours. Always thought I needed it. But my current pdoc encouraged me and helped me reduce that down. Now I sleep 9-10 hours. Any less and I'm pretty worthless. Maybe someday though that will change. I occasionally slip and sleep more especially if I'm having a hard time especially with depression or being extremely overwhelmed. I'm very grateful for my good pdoc who helps me with my life and my meds. I'm glad I have reduced the amount of sleep I had been thinking I always needed. I have a new pdoc. I have heard nothing back so I assume he’ll say it’s ok. I’m still feeling him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtac Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I used to sleep 8-12h a day, depending on what I had to do, including naps. After almost a year of being on CPAP and Provigil/Nuvigil, I'm at the point I can get 6-7h, be awake all day, and function adequately. It took several months of getting up within the same 1-2h time window every day to start getting accustomed to not sleeping until 10-11am when I don't work. I have chronic insomnia, so sometimes despite being tired, I can't fall asleep, but that has been improving as of late. Unless I'm depressed, in which case I can take Nuvigil, drink an energy drink, a cup of coffee, and go take a 4h nap, because none of that overrides depression. If I'm depressed, I'll sleep 9-12h a day through the worst of it, no matter what. The right meds have made a huge difference. Heavily sedating meds make functioning 10x harder. I used to nap every day on Geodon, Lithium, Seroquel, and Latuda, and taking any of them at bedtime just made me hungover the next morning (sleeping through alarms too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, dtac said: I used to sleep 8-12h a day, depending on what I had to do, including naps. After almost a year of being on CPAP and Provigil/Nuvigil, I'm at the point I can get 6-7h, be awake all day, and function adequately. It took several months of getting up within the same 1-2h time window every day to start getting accustomed to not sleeping until 10-11am when I don't work. I have chronic insomnia, so sometimes despite being tired, I can't fall asleep, but that has been improving as of late. Unless I'm depressed, in which case I can take Nuvigil, drink an energy drink, a cup of coffee, and go take a 4h nap, because none of that overrides depression. If I'm depressed, I'll sleep 9-12h a day through the worst of it, no matter what. The right meds have made a huge difference. Heavily sedating meds make functioning 10x harder. I used to nap every day on Geodon, Lithium, Seroquel, and Latuda, and taking any of them at bedtime just made me hungover the next morning (sleeping through alarms too.) Wow how did u move on those meds what r u on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtac Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, looking for answers said: Wow how did u move on those meds what r u on now To clarify, I wasn't on all of those APs at once, those were just the most sedating. Now I'm on 2mg Rexulti, 5mg Trintellix, 250mg Nuvigil, 100mg Trokendi XR, with up to 2mg of Klonopin for sleep (and Xanax PRN.) Rexulti was sedating at 1mg, but not really at 2mg. I take the Nuvigil + Trintellix in the AM, and Trokendi + Rexulti in the PM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Ok got ya thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Back to 6 hours and up 10-12 time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) . Edited September 17, 2020 by argh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, argh said: LFA, for what it's worth, I tried 30mg of Remeron last night, and it was exponentially less sedating than 15mg is. YMMV of course if that's even on the table still/you still have some handy. I don’t it was a while ago but u know it’s far less sedating at higher doses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) . Edited September 17, 2020 by argh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes I need my pdoc to put me on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunder Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 8:56 AM, looking for answers said: My pdoc today told me 6.5 hours is enough when on seroquel and trazadone I laughed , this is over the phone I said I’m hungover as hel It seems like your pdoc may be answering a different question or addressing a different problem than what is relevant in your case. When I've discussed medication specifically to address sleep, I've had a couple pdocs who consider getting someone to 6-7 hours of sleep good enough since while it's often not enough for optimal functioning, it's enough to meet general biological needs for a decent duration of time and trying to use medication to increase past this amount often tips to the point where increasing the medications have more side effects (sedation, hangover, etc.) than benefits. So he might be saying that it's "enough" meaning he doesn't think at 6.5 hours it's worth it to increase the doses since that would generally be the response to "not enough" sleep. I've basically gotten to the point after many episodes & several sleep med trials that I have decided it's not worth it for me, personally, to take anything specifically for sleep while depressed. I'd do it if I'm hypo and need the sedation. But personally, for me, being groggy and sedated while depressed feels worse than depressed and tired from lack of sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I agree on all points especially the groggy and sedated. Sorry the response is not longer I’m on my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Still can’t sleep may try 200 traz even though my script is for 100 and doc told me to take 150 also found out remeron is on my genesight test as a do not us med. May need much larger doses to be effective which has held true before , MUCH larger doses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancesintherain Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 When do you see your doctor next? (sorry if I missed this) do you think it's worth another call, explaining that the 6.5 hours that they suggested is enough is in fact not enough? Just wondering if that's a possible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I did call today. They said talk to TDoc on Monday and he can assess and relay all to pdoc. Which he actually does a good job of but the wait sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancesintherain Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 yeah, Monday's a long way away when you're not sleeping now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking for answers Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I know, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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