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Does anyone take a benzo everyday to get through the day?

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28 minutes ago, Ethansmom said:

thank you all for responding!  I'm going to up the trintellix tomorrow to see if it helps! Wish me luck. I do have my klonopin to help so hopefully the two will knock out some of this panic and anxiety.

How is the Trintellix working for far for anxiety? and do you find this medication is somewhat activating or pro-social? 

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It’s not activating and isn’t doing much right now. I feel super lazy on it actually :(  the depression is still there and I’m having upper back muscle aches which I think is from anxiety

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So today will be day 4 of upping my Trintellix to 5MG.  Usually this is when i get extreme anxiety. I keep waking up feeling like i'm vibrating. I'm worried this is withdrawl from last klonopin dose. I took my second dose of klonopin at 3pm yesterday and didn't take another one until 7 AM this morning. Would i be waking up vibrating? This seems to be common with anxiety from what i've read.  I just REALLY wish i didn't have to depend on these pills.

Does anyone know if Klonopin or benzos in general can cause liver damage?? That part scares me---- clearing i'm even anxious about taking Benzos, which has been for over a year straight now.  Does anyone taking Clominiprine or effexor? I may try one of those meds next to see if they help.

How would i even taper off of 2MG of klonopin without having major panic attacks?!!  I know i am overthinking all of this and making my anxiety worse.

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3 hours ago, Ethansmom said:

 Does anyone know if Klonopin or benzos in general can cause liver damage?? 

According to this article, liver damage rarely happens with benzos:

https://livertox.nlm.nih.gov/BenzodiazepineDrugs.htm

Quote from article: ........"clinically apparent liver injury from the benzodiazepines is quite rare."  

Edited by CrazyRedhead

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Meds that have the potential to be hard on the liver are identified in the PI. People should be getting liver function tests yearly, it is routine care. More frequent if you take meds. This is a blood test. I take 14 or so meds and have not hit one that has changed my liver function test from normal.

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i was going to reply to the continuous usage part (i take ativan daily as catatonia preventative and have xanax PRN) because i've done that for years and i've also abruptly discontinued all of my meds loads of times and not suffered withdrawal. i don't recommend doing that as they lower the seizure threshold and if you're prone at all to seizures, or even if not, you can have them if you abruptly discontinue at the amount i take.

but then i saw people saying that they're meds were immediately discontinued when inpatient and that's fucking nuts! that's not been my experience and i've been in the hospital a lot. i think that sounds so backwards. i haven't tried trintellix (i take low-dose zoloft and abilify, but for OCD) but i hope it works. i don't know about the vibrating. can you call a psych nurse to ask?

and finally, the liver question. i do get regular blood tests (for clozaril) and i have quarterly types of other tests. i've never had a bad one and i've taken a lot of meds. i think you'll likely be fine. : ) 

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On 5/18/2018 at 1:33 PM, mellifluous said:

i was going to reply to the continuous usage part (i take ativan daily as catatonia preventative and have xanax PRN) because i've done that for years and i've also abruptly discontinued all of my meds loads of times and not suffered withdrawal. i don't recommend doing that as they lower the seizure threshold and if you're prone at all to seizures, or even if not, you can have them if you abruptly discontinue at the amount i take.

but then i saw people saying that they're meds were immediately discontinued when inpatient and that's fucking nuts! that's not been my experience and i've been in the hospital a lot. i think that sounds so backwards. i haven't tried trintellix (i take low-dose zoloft and abilify, but for OCD) but i hope it works. i don't know about the vibrating. can you call a psych nurse to ask?

and finally, the liver question. i do get regular blood tests (for clozaril) and i have quarterly types of other tests. i've never had a bad one and i've taken a lot of meds. i think you'll likely be fine. : ) 

 I was on Xanax for over a year, including hospital time. After discharge, my psychiatrist started tapering me off Xanax because she doesn’t want me to become dependent on it. I was bummed but trusted her. She gave me Gabapentin for anxiety instead, but it has never worked as well as Xanax. A friend said I just need to find a doc who’s not against long term benzo usage or is Rx friendly in general, but I wouldn’t even know how to go about that. Each appointment costs $$, and I can’t exactly call up the office and ask “Hi will the doc give me all my favorite Rx?” LOL 

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1 hour ago, pocketpanda said:

 I was on Xanax for over a year, including hospital time. After discharge, my psychiatrist started tapering me off Xanax because she doesn’t want me to become dependent on it. I was bummed but trusted her. She gave me Gabapentin for anxiety instead, but it has never worked as well as Xanax. A friend said I just need to find a doc who’s not against long term benzo usage or is Rx friendly in general, but I wouldn’t even know how to go about that. Each appointment costs $$, and I can’t exactly call up the office and ask “Hi will the doc give me all my favorite Rx?” LOL 

the question is do u need it or is the gabepentin aqeduate, otherwise ur pill seeking

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36 minutes ago, looking for answers said:

the question is do u need it or is the gabepentin aqeduate, otherwise ur pill seeking

I took Xanax as needed (except hospital time). I used it based on what’s on my calendar for the day, or I could depend on it to help me fairly quickly when I encounter situations. With gabapentin, I have to take it daily, and it can’t help me on the spot. 

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Gabapentin does help my anxiety, but it takes a long time to kick in.  I wish that Lyrica was approved for anxiety in the USA.  I took it a couple times for pain due to injuries and it turned out to have a great anti-anxiety effect as well.  Plus it works much faster than Gabapentin.  I would much rather take that than Klonopin.

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1 hour ago, pocketpanda said:

I took Xanax as needed (except hospital time). I used it based on what’s on my calendar for the day, or I could depend on it to help me fairly quickly when I encounter situations. With gabapentin, I have to take it daily, and it can’t help me on the spot. 

i got yah, u were just talking about asking for ur fav meds..................anyways just tell ur doc what u just said, it makes sense

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Lyrica affects GABA just like benzos so it is Schedule IV, just like benzos. The same restrictions and prescribing practices. Carries the same possibility of dependence if you take it long term.

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Hi Everyone,

Happy Friday!  I just wanted to update you on my situation, and hopefully get some support and feedback at the same time!  I started Effexor IR about 9 days ago. I was taking a small dose 25MG (half a table twice daily). I moved up to 50MG two days ago, and have been experience heart flutters on and off today. I KNOW that it's from the Effexor increase. Needless to say , I just took Klonopin to try to help settle me down, and will go back to my 25MG dose tomorrow. I think the doctor rushed me into upping the dosage. I am very sensitive to these SSRI's and meds In general and I believe it takes weeks for my body to adjust.  I'm at work right now and it's hard to function worry about the next "hear flutter".  My doctor actually said that I might be better off without a benzo and that it might be making me worse. She suggested plan B (which is to switch to valium) and to taper off of that slowly. Has anyone heard of this? Will valium even help my anxiety like Klonopin.   I get so anxious when I even take a klonopin late. How on earth will I withdraw from it with valium? is valium safe??? PLEASE HELP! Need advice.

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1 hour ago, Ethansmom said:

Hi Everyone,

Happy Friday!  I just wanted to update you on my situation, and hopefully get some support and feedback at the same time!  I started Effexor IR about 9 days ago. I was taking a small dose 25MG (half a table twice daily). I moved up to 50MG two days ago, and have been experience heart flutters on and off today. I KNOW that it's from the Effexor increase. Needless to say , I just took Klonopin to try to help settle me down, and will go back to my 25MG dose tomorrow. I think the doctor rushed me into upping the dosage. I am very sensitive to these SSRI's and meds In general and I believe it takes weeks for my body to adjust.  I'm at work right now and it's hard to function worry about the next "hear flutter".  My doctor actually said that I might be better off without a benzo and that it might be making me worse. She suggested plan B (which is to switch to valium) and to taper off of that slowly. Has anyone heard of this? Will valium even help my anxiety like Klonopin.   I get so anxious when I even take a klonopin late. How on earth will I withdraw from it with valium? is valium safe??? PLEASE HELP! Need advice.

Valium is a benzo and is very safe as long as you don't mix it with alcohol or narcotics.

Are you sure that the heart flutters you are experiencing are not normal start-up anxiety? Because whenever starting a new AD, especially SSRIs and SNRIs, it is common to have increased anxiety at first that goes away after a few weeks. Then the med becomes effective against anxiety. Also, 50 mg is a very small dose. I think, but I'm not your doctor,  that you will want to be on 150 mg. Above 150 mg, Effexor starts working on norepinephrine which can increase anxiety.

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@jt07  The heart flutters could very well be start up anxiety. I'm not sure if I can put up with that :( it's very scary and I have a heart phobia, so the two don't mix very well for me. I wonder if I could just do 37.5 and go up from there. I can cut the pills. That might help me get used to the meds a bit. Thank you for your advice!

Sara

 

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Just an update: my doctor said I could switch to Xanax again, but it doesn't last long in my system.  Why can't I just take the Klonopin and then take a Xanax if I have a panic attack (maybe I should just call her and ask her). So torn on what to do, but trying not to over think it. I have all the typical anxious start up effects with Effexor and just need to get through the next 6 weeks or so to see if it's working. ugh. I really hate have anxiety AND panic Disorder. I have OCD thoughts and really hate that I analyze everything. I'm scared of mixing the two and dying of an overdose (even though ive taken Xanax before) after the klonopin was wearing off.  What should I do?

 

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16 hours ago, Ethansmom said:

Why can't I just take the Klonopin and then take a Xanax if I have a panic attack (maybe I should just call her and ask her).

I think that calling your doc and discussing this with her, would be the best thing to do.....

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Ive taken 5mg of diazepam every day for a year now for irritability and anger (on top of pregabalin). Im currently SSRI free and feel horrible , Ocd is florid to say the least!

5mg isnt alot in comparison to what some take but im going to have to come off it at some point. Im seeing the psych on Monday so ill find out what the plan is then

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Agreed that it’s important to call your doctor.  That’s a lot of benzo usage, but it’s not unheard of.  I think the trick is going to be having enough coverage to get up to a therapeutic dosage on an SSRI, but some people (myself included) do need a steady benzo proscription.

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@CrazyRedhead yes I will ask her. Today I bump up to 37.5. I hope I can get through this and get better. All I can do it try right? I have used klonopin in the best and have taken a Xanax ( as needed for any breakthrough panic attacks. At one point she said that was fine but not something I should do everyday . She confuses me. Very wishy washy with her thoughts . Or maybe that’s the anxiety in me talking.

@Alexander search did the ssri help you at all. May I ask why you got off?

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