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On 05/10/2018 at 2:21 PM, DammitJanet said:

I sooooo hope I haven’t offended or hurt anyone.

I might not be the best person to answer this but I don't think you said anything offensive. Why does God let these things happen? That's surely something any believer should ask themselves. Not attacking religion but you can't really think badly of anyone who asks this.

If I didn't like you already I'd like you for using the word 'discombobulated'. I was wondering if combobulate is a word and apparently it is. A google search gave me a definition from a dictionary site of "To get your shit together." I must try to be more combobulated.

Buddhism is interesting. I'll never believe in reincarnation or any of the more supernatural aspects of some variations of Buddhism but it has much to say even without these things. I like the books of Stephen Batchelor, who calls himself a Buddhist atheist.

I don't know if I believe in free will but then it's probably an erroneous concept, and thinking that it doesn't exist might be correct but doesn't acknowlege what does exist. I'm not entirely sure what the hell I'm talking about either.

 

 

 

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I personally don't think there is such a thing as radical free will. Our will is subject to a number of constraints. Our socioeconomic status determines a lot what we can and can't do no matter how much we want to do it. Our upbringing also constrains our free will because we are raised with certain values and beliefs which are really hard to go against. Nature also constrains your free will because we really can't go against the laws of nature. For example, I may want to grow wings and fly, but no matter how much I will it, it's not going to happen. The best we can do is build airplanes if we want to fly. I'm sure there are other constraints as well.

When all of this is factored in, what remains is what we can call free will. 

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I’m a Christian. I believe we were born a slave to sin. We never had a free will until we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Unfortunately I had to go thru the ringer to understand all of this. 

 

Im going to go to College to become a theologian. 

 

I like Ike the way you talk. Very open minded but on target!

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Whether you're religious or not I think it's interesting to ask if it's possible for God to have free will. Can a perfect and omniscient being act otherwise? Of course none of us mere mortals are perfect and omniscient, and this makes the idea of free will questionable I think. Without the possibility of certainty our actions will always contain an element of randomness, which doesn't make us free at all. But those seem to be the two choices - certainty is no choice but neither is randomness.

And we make those decisions in an unpredictable world based on what we are and what we've learnt. We can't escape our upbringing, our gender, our culture. We never chose these things but they make us who we are. And then there's genetics. The idea that we can all be whatever we want to be, if only we try hard enough, seems dumb. Because you can't play professional basketball if you're 5' tall and you can't choose not to be depressed. We never had the choice but to be who we are because there couldn't be a 'me' to choose otherwise.

All of which probably sounds depressing. A better person than me might say that this is a good thing. We're all in the same boat, which is drifting down the river to God knows where, and none of us wanted to get on the damn boat to start with. And we're all imperfect and flawed but we're trying to do our best. Some people have said that it's necessary to belive in free will in order to preserve our sanity - our brains can't handle the idea that we're following a road that we never chose. Maybe. But it seems like an undeniable truth that we didn't make ourselves, and that leads to empathy and sympathy for others, I think, sometimes, when I'm in a good mood.

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God has restrictions. One is He cannot lie. He would cease to exist if He did. But we’re made in His imagine. Meaning Jesus said before He was crucified I made Gods. 

 

 

 

gods. He is the only God with a capital G!!!

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What if I told you I don't believe Jesus is the Christ?.

NOW HOLD ON AND STAY WITH ME I SAID THAT FOR A REASON.

God gave you a conscience. To do right or to do evil. 

Why I said that is because clearly you can sense thru your conscience that something I said was not right. 

That calibrated conscience that is inline with the Holy Spirit would of told you something isn't right. 

If you go to school and you sense something isn't right you feel a little bell go off on your soul. 

One of the clearest indicaters to see is that God gave you a bell to ring when things aren't right. 

Your conscience can become broken. Calling evil good and good evil. 

That's what sin does to the heart. It breaks the Ten commandments tablet over your heart. It can be seared as with a hot iron. 

For me to say with all who know me here that I don't believe in Jesus should of dinged your conscience the Holy Spirit that something isn't right. 

We knew before we even thought that murder was wrong that is was wrong. Who in the world put that there if your are an atheist and don't believe any of the simple truths that there is a God of Moral Laws. 

Please consider that you have been given this life, what makes you think you wouldn't have another. 

To clear up confusion only the wise will be able to discern what I was trying to say. 

Jesus is the Son of God. 

I was showing you the simple proof that there is a God.

 

Im not preaching. It’s theology!!

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Jesus is my strength, my stronghold, my friend, my savior. He has taken what satan meant for harm and worked it out for my good. Every bad circumstance or situation worked out for my good. I am a better person because of Him. You may or may not believe in Him, but I do, and it's important to me, however, I accept people for who they are and where they're at in the journey of life. All lives matter. <3

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I wasn’t saying I don’t believe. I was testing y’alls. conscience!!!

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3 hours ago, sonicwhite said:

Who put your conscience there if there isn’t a Supreme Being with Moral Laws?

Sonic, I could answer you, but these forums are not really a place for heated debate, and I don't want to damage your faith. I'm happy that you find solace in your religion and that it gets you through the day. I am agnostic and that gets me through my day. Different strokes for different folks. 

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