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anyone else here think that ultrarapid/ultradian cycling should be considered something else besides a 'type' of bipolar?

we all know that lithium usually sucks for non-standard 'bipolar' and that the drugs for non-standard 'bipolar' tend not to work so well for normal bipolar.

that plus the fact that, to me at least, the super fast cyclers seem to be totally different than the classic cyclers leads me to believe that they are, in fact, different disorders altogether.

both still affective disorders, of course, but considered to be radically different disorders in general.

/manic idea

p.s. fuck zyprexa

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OH yes.  Fuck zyprexa.

I have ultradian cycling... all the severe moods in one day.  Good times.

Lithium is garbage for this.  That is my personal opinion.  It made me go back to the very old and discarded habit of self injury.

Good stuff.

I agree.  Though still experiencing bipolar symptoms we can not be medically treated in the same fashion. The rate of cycling is very important to treatment and very few docs have asked me about it or considered it important.

I suppose that is still why I am seeking out an effective med treatment - they haven't really thought of one for those in our predicament.

But when it comes down to it, considering that none of us really suffer from a single form of mental illness, but many of them combined, added to our environement and physiology, it is almost impossible to successfully treat an individual immediately.  Or What is the average they say?... 13 years until a full and proper diagnosis and hopefully treatment?  What fun.

That is the average I think.

Life-long experimentation to alter your conciousness back to 'normal'.

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Lithium really helped my rapid cycling, actually. Taking away antidepressants helped even more.

And I don't really agree on the symptoms being really different. Not for me at least. I have very classic mania and depression. Just faster.

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My pdoc swears by carmazepine for rapid cycling. God knows if it actually works, I take so much shit I have no idea what does what.

When I was 'just' depressed, I had long periods of depression, but when the bipolar symtoms started (ie mania) I've always been an ultrarapid cycler (ie several times a week). With the exception of one mania which lasted several weeks and I'm still not fully over now a couple of months later.

Make of that what you will.

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anyone else here think that ultrarapid/ultradian cycling should be considered something else besides a 'type' of bipolar?

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I think you have to make the distinction between pharmalogically induced rapid cycling and phenological cycling. Without the distinction the choice of proper meds may be difficult.

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Guest Guest

I am 33 and diagnosed with depression, I have been taking prozac, and now am experiencing mania, hyperactive, feeling of euphoria, happy, talkative, and really down depressed crushing crying in the same 24 hour period. recently . today. help

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Guest - call your psychiatrist immediately, on an emergency number if they have one (if you don't have a psychiatrist, call the doctor that prescribed the prozac). If you are worried you may hurt yourself or others, go to the emergency room.

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I've had long cycles in the past and ultra-rapid as I got older. I wonder if it's something associated with "the kindling effect."

The magic pill for ultra-rapid cycling was Topamax for me.

I'm on 50,000 meds but pretty stable, dealing with a bit of anxiety here or a bit of dysphoria there which can be resolved with tweaking current meds. ;)

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I agree! I constantly get thrown through three to four episodes per day if not on meds.

I'm actually on Ziprasidone and Duloxetine right now. This has actually kept me pretty calm and stable.

I was diagnosed with depression initially but Escitalopram sent me into my first manic state. From there I constantly switched moods with almost no "in between". That's why I think Ultra radian BP should be a different disorder. BP patients can present "in between" times where they have no impaired functioning but I've never been able to say I've been there.

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