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Any opinions on parsing out differences between these, and treating each each symptom?  Is this still depression? Is my brain rendered dysfunctional without stimulants now??

I have chronic depression (dips down here & there), but then it always goes back to this level (nearly a baseline for me). I'm tired, blah, SO LISTLESS and all I want to do is lay in bed all day, comfy & nice. Today, I managed to go out to get groceries (was out of TP for crikes sakes), showered, then back to bed resting & staring at wall. No interest in listening to music, trying to read made me drowsy....

Not sad, not thinking of anything... just lying in bed, with no wherewithall or motivation to get up. Other factors: Winter weather, I've been on Ritalin break for 1 month.....Problem is, the last month on holiday, I was fine, active, good mood and had energy!! Blood tests are all normal. What gives?

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I don't know the answer, but I'm the same way much of the time. I don't know if it's breakthrough depression symptoms or a side effect of medication. Interested to see if others have ideas.

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2 hours ago, Blahblah said:

Any opinions on parsing out differences between these, and treating each each symptom?  Is this still depression? Is my brain rendered dysfunctional without stimulants now??

I have chronic depression (dips down here & there), but then it always goes back to this level (nearly a baseline for me). I'm tired, blah, SO LISTLESS and all I want to do is lay in bed all day, comfy & nice. Today, I managed to go out to get groceries (was out of TP for crikes sakes), showered, then back to bed resting & staring at wall. No interest in listening to music, trying to read made me drowsy....

Not sad, not thinking of anything... just lying in bed, with no wherewithall or motivation to get up. Other factors: Winter weather, I've been on Ritalin break for 1 month.....Problem is, the last month on holiday, I was fine, active, good mood and had energy!! Blood tests are all normal. What gives?

I feel your pain. I often sleep for 12 hours each night and then can’t get up no matter what during this time of year. Unfortunately all I can do is sympathize cuz I have yet to find a solution that consistently works 

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1 hour ago, Juniper29 said:

I don't know the answer, but I'm the same way much of the time. I don't know if it's breakthrough depression symptoms or a side effect of medication. Interested to see if others have ideas.

Yeah, doesn't seem new or "breakthrough" for me...it's nearly my baseline. I'm either distinctly depressed, or in this apathy-type / lazy stage. I know all SSRIs give me the blahs/lethargy....but I'm on a very low-dose of Effexor, and it treats severe episodes/suicidal ideation, so I hate to go off it.

29 minutes ago, Iceberg said:

I feel your pain. I often sleep for 12 hours each night and then can’t get up no matter what during this time of year. Unfortunately all I can do is sympathize cuz I have yet to find a solution that consistently works 

This is me. 12 hours asleep, and I can't get up in the morning (even when I'm in a completely different timezone) I have trouble getting up, getting going.  Then I'm often taking naps in afternoon. It's not really "sleepiness" per say, it's just a blah, bored, comfortable, avoidant behavior that I can't shake. APATHY. Disinterest....nothing seems to treat this! 

I'm hoping this break from Ritalin will help boost the effect when I re-instate. It's such a shame that stimulants never continue to work the same as when you first start them. It's the only way I feel like a normal functioning person!

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I'm also similar in a number of ways. My new "baseline" (going on 15 years now) is mild sadness, moderate anhedonia, and large issues with motivation. I'm currently starting to improve on stimulant meds, but have only been on them for a month. 

My current working theory for myself is that this combo of symptoms is largely from ADHD with only a bit of depression on the side. These are the things that don't improve when I manage to get out of severe depression.

I don't have SAD, so no thoughts on that, but I have strong opinions about laziness. I think the word lazy gets wildly overused and I basically dislike it as a concept. You are describing a state where things are much more difficult. Trying to climb Mount Everest and only making it to base camp isn't lazy. Neither is being faced with Mount Everest and being intimidated by the challenge and finding it difficult to start. Labelling behavior as lazy treats it as if the difficulty is similar for everyone and it's not

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I’m not depressed now but I could still just lie here all day, especially if I forget my Concerta, it’s all over. But I do get up and go to work, it’s just when I’m home I can’t seem to do anything. SAD is a possibility. I should think that over. I agree about the lazy concept, but have surely thought I must be lazy and accused of it. 

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