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I'm bipolar type X. NOS-ish but sort of 1.5 -- higher hypomanias and little depression, but also (in the ever-more distant past) mixed states.

I've been taking nightly medications for over a decade now. Lamictal + Lithium + small dose Klonopin. These are usually enough to put me out (also because I'm usually tired at night). But when they don't I get in a state of "drunkness" that's somewhat disconcerting. Makes me talkative and impulsive. I once told my (decade-plus) wife I had a half crush on a coworker. Another time I shot off an email to said coworker to the tune of "just because I have a crush on you doesn't give you the right to half-ass your work and drop it on me". God only knows how I haven't been both dumped by wife and fired for harassment at work.

Wife is now asleep and she's been having issues with too-light sleep so I'm making my best to not make noises that will wake her up but also deal with this volcano of directionless aimless impulsiveness and heightened feeling. I can't go and write a screenplay, my cognition is impaired. Can't go to sleep either, my head's on fire.


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My husband and I have had crushes on other people before. We tell each other what’s going on when it happens. It’s better than hiding it and it’s a relief to be able to talk it through with someone until it passes. We’ve been married 14 years pretty peaceably. Crushes just happen. 

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but I think you're asking if the talkative/impulsivity and feeling of restlessness could be medication side effects? Behavioral disinhibition has definitely been linked with benzodiazepines like Klonopin, and less frequently with Lamictal. Akathisia, or the restlessness you mentioned, can also be a less common side effect of Lamictal and other meds-  https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00023210-199809010-00005.  Although you've been taking them a long time, I've unfortunately learned that any drug can turn on you at any time. : (   See what your pdoc says; sometimes those effects can be mitigated with a simple dosage adjustment.

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I've taken all of those at the same time as well.

In my experience, Klonopin has had that kind of effect on me in the past, particularly when combined with alcohol (oops - definitely don't do that), but that's not a requirement. Even a small amount of Klonopin can do this. Hasn't happened in years though, who knows why.

If you're taking the Klonopin for sleep, perhaps you could try something else. Personally, I've found taking 0.5 or 1mg of melatonin around sunset is a good way to get myself to sleep by 9 or 10. If that's a bit early, I'll just take it a couple hours later.

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  • 2 months later...

It's been a long time since I made this thread. I think I only come to the board when I'm spinning too fast and already flooded Twitter and Hacker News and all that.

I don't take the Klonopin for sleep, I take it as a "marginal adjustment" (so I can increase it a bit if I'm spinning too fast or decrease/stop it if I'm going low). It sounds crazy, but I'm on big-people meds too, and I've seriously curbed depressive turns by reducing my Klonopin a .25mg and vice-versa. I've also gone long periods without. This isn't exactly standard on-label but it's not unheard of either. I'm not saying I'm Superman but I have pretty good insight. My wife also helps noticing early signs (talkative, hypersexual, stopped wearing socks...)

I usually take my meds when I'm about to fall asleep. The meds don't make me sleepy. But if I take the meds and I'm unexpectedly insomniac, the behavioral disinhibition stuff in the Klonopin hits. 

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12 hours ago, xheimlich said:

My wife also helps noticing early signs (talkative, hypersexual, stopped wearing socks...)

I love keeping track of people’s mania symptoms and that the best one I’ve heard in quite a while.

Regarding your initial commentary on klonopin putting you into a disconcerting drunken state, I can’t take any benzos at at because they make me black out, which is horrifying, so I hear you.

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